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8th December 10, 12:01 PM
#21
 Originally Posted by robbiethepiper
busking ( U.S. trans = panhandling? )
Busking is more like Street Performance, panhandling is begging.
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8th December 10, 12:16 PM
#22
 Originally Posted by CaseyB
Busking is more like Street Performance, panhandling is begging.
We have a lot of buskers here in Chicago but, after hearing some of them, a bagpiper would be a major improvement.
Ever hear of "bucket boys"?
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8th December 10, 01:24 PM
#23
[SIZE="2"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]T. E. ("TERRY") HOLMES[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]proud descendant of the McReynolds/MacRanalds of Ulster & Keppoch, Somerled & Robert the Bruce.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]"Ah, here comes the Bold Highlander. No @rse in his breeks but too proud to tug his forelock..." Rob Roy (1995)[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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8th December 10, 01:32 PM
#24
I would imagine I still appear in a number of photo albums from folks, both foreign and domestic, that visited the National Battlefield where I worked as a park ranger and living history interpreter. I know for certain that a photo of myself with two Moldovan Army officers is out there somewhere -- the two officers were part of a staff ride from the local Army Base which has a number of foreign officers attending various training schools.
T.
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8th December 10, 01:47 PM
#25
I don't mind being photographed, asked or not. I aim to always be respectable and respectful. I expect the same from others. So far nobody has attempted an up-the-kilt shot. That would be too much and I would say so.
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8th December 10, 02:09 PM
#26
 Originally Posted by Chas
The other thing is, if you are not doing anything illegal, immoral or fattening, why would there be a problem?
 Originally Posted by paulhenry
As Chas says if you have done nothing wrong what is the problem
I really don't like this line of reasoning. Just because one isn't guilty of something doesn't mean they MUST submit to whatever request is made of them or be thought guilty.
"Can I take your picture?"
"No"
"Why not? Got something to hide?"
"Oh well since you put it that way, I INSIST you take my pic, as it's my job to now prove my innocence."
Absolutely not.
Simply not wanting to appear in the center of a photograph should be a good enough reason to turn down would-be photographers, at least IMO. It's not my job to prove myself or my innocence to anyone else, and it's THEY who must deal with it, not me.
Of course, being in public, there's no expectation of privacy, and simply wearing a kilt means you'll draw more attention than someone wearing jeans and a t-shirt, AND that same person can simply take your picture anyway and there's nothing you can do about it. But there is a difference to me appearing in a clandestine pic and a posed one. Sometimes I'm not in the mood to stand and smile or pose in any other way for someone else, and wearing a kilt shouldn't force a change in that.
Don't get me wrong, probably 90% of the time I don't mind people wanting a pic. On the average encounter it's very positive and I have met some pretty interesting people over the years. But I don't think it should be a requirement for any of us to pose every time, or to think of declining a request as a bad thing for some reason.
Last edited by Teufel Hunden; 8th December 10 at 03:18 PM.
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8th December 10, 02:23 PM
#27
 Originally Posted by Teufel Hunden
I hate this line of reasoning. .......
Don't get me wrong, probably 90% of the time I don't mind people wanting a pic. On the average encounter it's very positive and I have met some pretty interesting people over the years. But I don't think it should be a requirement for any of us to pose every time, or to think of declining a request as a bad thing for some reason.
I think you are taking my comment too much to heart, I agree with you that we have no requirement to pose with people. I take hundreds, or even thousands of photos every month, and some of those are of people, but they are never posed, just natural, and because of that I certainly don't mind if someone wants to take a quick photo of me, I was kilted in Brugges last weekend, and there were dozens of people taking my picture,some secretly(they thought) did I mind, not at all, beacuse in a similar situation I'd also be taking pictures of interesting or unusual sights!
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8th December 10, 02:30 PM
#28
Of course, being in public, there's no expectation of privacy, and simply wearing a kilt means you'll draw more attention than someone wearing jeans and a t-shirt, AND that same person can simply take your picture anyway and there's nothing you can do about it. But there is a difference to me appearing in a clandestine pic and a posed one. Sometimes I'm not in the mood to stand and smile or pose in any other way for someone else, and wearing a kilt shouldn't force a change in that.
Very true. It's almost like being a celebrity in many ways. No matter what they do, the paparazzi is going to be there taking pictures, and there's nothing they can do about it. They can either choose to constantly run and hide and live in torment, or embrace it by posing and being friendly with the paparazzi. Wearing a kilt produces much the same effect, though to a smaller degree.
It's certainly understandable not to want to pose and smile for every goofball with a camera; that will get old real quick. Maybe we should get some suggestions from the rabble for 'canned answers' as a way to politely say no to such requests?
I know a guy who travels all over the country selling leatherwork. He's very eccentric (he wears a top hat!), and people are always asking him if they can take his picture. He started charging $5 per picture. Apparently it's a pretty lucrative thing, because he's raking in some decent money from it!
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8th December 10, 02:58 PM
#29
 Originally Posted by robbiethepiper
For 5 years I made my living busking ( U.S. trans = panhandling? ). Photographed many times daily. Rarely did anyone ask for permission, but most put something in the bowl. Some thought a smile was enough. Others seemed to believe they had the right to record anyone dressed unusally. I just try to accept that in this world there are the good, the bad and the ugly.Try to stay closer to the good.
Robbie,
Only the olfs too cheap to tip (and certain municipalities) consider it panhandling! Street performing has an ancient and honorable (ancient anyway) history. The Salvation Army Bell Ringer is more a panhandler than the busker providing entertainment.
Pops
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8th December 10, 05:42 PM
#30
 Originally Posted by Tobus
It's certainly understandable not to want to pose and smile for every goofball with a camera; that will get old real quick.
True....in my response (above) I was thinking of those candid moments one has no control of. As to posed, or being asked, if I'm not in the mood then I have no problem saying no...
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
I would imagine I still appear in a number of photo albums from folks, both foreign and domestic, that visited the National Battlefield where I worked as a park ranger and living history interpreter. I know for certain that a photo of myself with two Moldovan Army officers is out there somewhere -- the two officers were part of a staff ride from the local Army Base which has a number of foreign officers attending various training schools.
Yeah, as you well know Todd, (having myself been a reenactor/living historian) dealing with the "paparazzi" is an occupational hazard!
[SIZE="2"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]T. E. ("TERRY") HOLMES[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]proud descendant of the McReynolds/MacRanalds of Ulster & Keppoch, Somerled & Robert the Bruce.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]"Ah, here comes the Bold Highlander. No @rse in his breeks but too proud to tug his forelock..." Rob Roy (1995)[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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