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    I have decided to push this to the media for a wider base of more public opinion on the matter, and a greater likelihood that Troon will take the issue more seriously if it comes from multiple different sources simultaneously. The media may bite, they may not in which case it will simply be a tempest in a teapot. We shall see. However, what has become clear to me through all this is the fact that if I am the one pushing the story out to the media sources it will likley be seen as self serving and media seeking by me, whereas if the kilted and golfing community push this out to the media it will come across more as a united movement rather than an individual in the wilderness crying for attention.

    So if you feel strongly about this, as I do, feel free to write to your local media, by email, surface mail, telephone, through their websites, etc... to whoever you think might be interested in hearing the story and passing it on. It either gets picked up or it doesn't, but we shall never know until we try. I will be writing select media myself, but please feel free to jump into the fray--- more voices speaking in unison makes a louder chorus than a soloist singing into the lonely wind.

    If I can figure it out I will try to start a Facebook page for this cause as well, as has been suggested by some fiends there.

    Again, thanks for all your comments (pro or con), ideas, and support.

    jeff

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    I realise that Jeff, its trying to understand the "enemy" with their petty rules and I suspect that the Caddy Master(is that correct title?) may be a very local to the course with very local attitudes to the kilt.I don't know, I am only surmising.

    I am certainly not impressed by the Club Secretary's weasel words in his email to you, but not surprised as an official letter would show that they are actually taking the matter seriously. I have yet to be convinced that they are. However give them time to think about things(a couple of weeks---I am serious!) before jumping towards the press. Nothing will get them(Troon) to dig their heels in quicker than "pushing" a traditional British establishment club in their ivory tower, I kid you not! I don't think that Troon will give a tinker's cuss what other clubs do, that is a false trail, as the UK is full of:- "------well if that is what other clubs do, that is fine for them and it is not our concern, BUT it is not what WE do!" It is that mentality that you are up against.

    Rules are rules and providing they are clear, concise and there for all to see and not open to local interpretation and we can live with that. Nevertheless and most crucially, any query from a guest should be attended to, promptly and courteously in person by a club official on the spot at the time. If we, in the end don't accept that ruling, well OK we have to accept them for what they are, but at least we do not leave feeling too aggrieved.But you having to deal with something courteously, that has not been dealt with properly in the first place must be exceedingly frustrating for you. I still would council patience for a while yet.

    I am damn glad I am not a golfer!
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    For sure the golfing magazines - maybe even....Sports Illustrated....
    Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
    Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
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    Knowing Jeff, he will not let this issue rest. Lord knows I wish he would. It is consuming way too much time and energy that could be spent elsewhere!
    I love you honey but give it up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wife View Post
    Knowing Jeff, he will not let this issue rest. Lord knows I wish he would. It is consuming way too much time and energy that could be spent elsewhere!
    I love you honey but give it up!
    A voice of reason!

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    Well said CDNSushi.
    Regional Director for Scotland for Clan Cunningham International, and a Scottish Armiger.

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    CDNSushi did a fine job.

    And even if "bare legs" were mentioned, I'd have to say that knee length hose and a kilt to the knees are hardly bare legs.

    But on another note, I would like to suggest that Jeff put this aside and take Wife out for a very nice dinner with fine wine, candles, and maybe even a little something on the side for a surprise--a pin, a ring, a rose! One single rose might speak volumes, and she sounds a fine woman who would like your attention.

    We're in your corner, and so is she. Dancing might even work.
    Jim Killman
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    Freedom is not free, but the US Marine Corps will pay most of your share.

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    I thought "Dhoti" was what you called someone trying to play golf in a loincloth!!
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    Good ideas, Jim, but I am really NOT wasting a whole lot of time with the efforts I am making. I did take WIFE out for a nice dinner alone, with scotch whisky in place of wine (for both of us) but that was before the trip, and to celebrate her birthday, which I unfortunately had to miss because of the timing of the trip itself. May take a few years to live that one down, however. Must try again. She also got a nice new iPad as a pre-emptive present--she is not really big on jewelry, unless it is that 1 plus carat diamond that keeps cropping up in conversations from time to time. Am taking her to a Crosby, Stills & Nash concert with some friends in a couple weeks and may be able to sneak in a dinner before that. We shall see. Sorry, but I don't dance (well, I do, I just look like Elaine from Seinfeld) in public except with my 2 year old son at family gatherings.

    jeff

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    One question which is prominent by it's absence is : why does having a 'Y' chromosine render ones legs socially or aesthetically unnaceptable anyway ?
    Most men spend their lives in prescribed anonymous clothing of one kind or another - and even when not in 'uniform', there are precious few choices available.

    So, if you banish from your thinking the traditional conditioning we've all undergone since birth - that which tells us that we can't be taken seriously unless in a suit (or other 'uniform'), and putting to one side the area of clothing used as protection in the workplace - what exactly is society saying about males that demands that we have our legs covered whilst we go about our lives ?

    And aren't ties just a great idea.......

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