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28th July 23, 10:49 AM
#171
The listing includes a flyer from Hardie. Having looked at the Hardie web site, they could be Hardie pipes with cheaper replacement mounts. It's hard to tell without handling them.
I wouldn't want to waste my $'s on a maybe, though.
John
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28th July 23, 11:56 AM
#172
There's no way the pipes were made by Hardie...details of combing/beading, and drone contours do not match Hardie present or past. No amount of bantering back and forth can make this set of pipes into Hardie's. The inclusion of legit piping accessories is going to drive someone to think they are bargain-buying a set of Hardie pipes. Buyer's remorse is a real possibility. The seller is a clearance bin/estate sale junk dealer and most certainly will be of no use after the sale.
Overall....looks like someone really tried to get 'whatever these pipes are' going and accessorized with legit parts. Reed boxes from Wygent and Hardie and the Lil' Mac valve, reed protector, and old case speak to that. This is not the first case where that happens. Fuzzy pics, wonky combing/beading and contours, Sialkot-style mounts are RED FLAGS to me.
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29th July 23, 12:15 PM
#173
I asked the seller to look at the color of the bores. He sent back a message that the color of the bores matched the out color.
Now this gets interesting…
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29th July 23, 12:32 PM
#174
The bead count for the eBay pipes lower drone pieces is 7 for bass, 4 for tenor. Up to 2000, Hardies had 8 and 5, respectively. New/contemporary Hardies have 8 and 4 respectively.
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29th July 23, 04:28 PM
#175
 Originally Posted by Toxpert
The color of the bores matched the outer color.
Many years ago I happened to get my hands on the catalogue from a Sialkot maker.
It made for fascinating reading, and I learned much.
The maker offered, for example, a variety of woods and mounts.
Yes they sold the Sheesham wood pipes with aluminium mounts! The catalogue titled these "Cheap Quality" 
But they also made higher-quality pipes. You could get pipes in Ebony and pipes in African Blackwood.
You could get real ivory mounts. You could get Sterling Silver mounts.
The trouble is that 99% of the Sialkot pipes we see are the very cheapest ones they make.
A few years ago I examined and played one of the highest-quality sets from a Sialkot maker. It had real ivory and hand-engraved Sterling Silver mounts, and the engraving was pretty good.
The wood was curious, some sections being Ebony and some African Blackwood. Most curious was the Bass midsection, which was made from two bits of wood, one Ebony and one ABW, glued together 
They didn't sound all that bad! I would put them in the neighbourhood of the worst-sounding Scottish-made pipes I've tried, by that old guy in Edinburgh whose name I can't recall at the moment.
But I certainly wouldn't recommend them to anyone.
Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte
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30th July 23, 03:30 AM
#176
All of this is true…
I spent a few minutes using “Sialkot engraved silver bagpipes” to do a Google search for images. It did not take long to find black coloured pipes that match (not including mouthpiece) this eBay set being discussed. Same style of beading/combing, spacing…same chrome-plated‘engraving’ pattern. Retail new prices around 2-300 S USD.
The eBay auction looks to be another example of an inexperienced aspiring piper or, worse, a kind benefactor gifting what they think is the real deal at a bargain price. Regardless, this looks like another infection of bidding fever.
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31st July 23, 06:56 AM
#177
Aw come on guys Pakistani pipes have their use. They burn really good, the black paint helps them burn.
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31st July 23, 07:23 AM
#178
1 day to go and the high bidder has fled and retracted their bid.
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2nd August 23, 03:28 AM
#179
The set sold for just over $600.
Here’s another listing for the same set of pipes (new). Listed as “African Black Wood” …not African Blackwood. The color of the wood does appear black. This seller defines Pakistan as country of origin. Seller description includes
“Each of Highland full sets we offer well Tune and have meticulously polished bores.
They Utilize sea send secure flapper valve authentic hide bag and consistent lathing techniques for air solid pipe and reed fittings.”
Here’s the eBay # 265918674816
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4th August 23, 03:20 AM
#180
 Originally Posted by Toxpert
The set sold for just over $600.
Wow. Pride of Ownership!
They might end up being cherished and played by somebody like the Pakistani pipes owned by a young local guy.
He came for a lesson. He was doing incorrect fingerings. When I showed him the correct fingerings he said "that's not how Mr. So-and-so said to do it".
Turns out that Mr. So-and-so was a Tuba player who taught himself how to play pipes after a fashion, and passed his "knowledge" on to others.
That kid only came for one lesson, because he was convinced that he knew everything already, and didn't want anybody to disillusion him.
He had a Pakistani set he had bought for a few dollars. He was convinced that he had come upon a great bargain, and didn't want anybody to disillusion him.
A friend who knew about this kid told me "he thinks he's found a Diamond In The Rough. It's just rough."
A year or so later this kid was out at a local Highland Games to play pipes for his drummer friend's competition. Oi oi what that poor drumming judge had to listen to! It was horrendous and bizarre.
Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte
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