Bravura!

[Dreadbelly]

I take great comfort in looking and acting the way I do. It drives folk away.

People are very, very suprised to find that I am actually well spoken, educated, and a completely different person under this frightful shell. Many never learn this... They are driven away by the image I project. They judge a book by it's cover. And I don't want them around me. I cultivate my image to drive people away from me, it is my armor, my protection. The people that look past all of it to see me for what I really am as a person are the people I want around me.

Always keep people guessing.

And I do see my self as a "tribal" sort of person. I am clannish. I am all about loyalty and protecting women and children. I get penalised for this quite often, "sticking my nose where it don't belong" and "what gives you the right to go and bust somebody's chops for that" and all that.

The kilt, the culture, the history, and most importantly the ideals behind all of these things, these are what I identify with deep inside my spirit, my soul. I have values, concepts, and beliefs that are not well accepted in this day and age. I am a romantic. I am earthy. I like to let the mud squish between me toes and the rain to run down in to my beard.

The wearing of the kilt has been an awakening to me.

[Doc Hudson]

Dreadbelly wrote:

They were the sorts of men that would have kicked *** and took names,

Sorry Dr. Douglas. I must disagree.

Unless there was a bounty on the asses to be kicked, I doubt if they bothered to take the names.

I figure that kicking *** and not bothering with the names would be more their style.

[Dreadbelly]

Dreadbelly wrote:


Sorry Dr. Douglas. I must disagree.

Unless there was a bounty on the asses to be kicked, I doubt if they bothered to take the names.

I figure that kicking *** and not bothering with the names would be more their style.

Actually, that bit about taking names is pretty important a long time ago after a melee.

After a battle, if there were mecenaries involved, a house or clan fighting in the emply of another house or clan, it was common practice to torture or otherwise pry out information. "Taking names" was extracting information. "Who sent you?" "Why did you attack me?" "Who is paying you!"

Sending hired thugs was all to common at the time.

Of course, uttering a name would likely get you killed later by your employer. Or you could utter the wrong name and get a war started.

Of course, this is all trivia and is dangerously close to being off topic, which is frowned upon.

[Archangel]

Actually, that bit about taking names is pretty important a long time ago after a melee.

After a battle, if there were mecenaries involved, a house or clan fighting in the emply of another house or clan, it was common practice to torture or otherwise pry out information. "Taking names" was extracting information. "Who sent you?" "Why did you attack me?" "Who is paying you!"

Sending hired thugs was all to common at the time.

Of course, uttering a name would likely get you killed later by your employer. Or you could utter the wrong name and get a war started.

Of course, this is all trivia and is dangerously close to being off topic, which is frowned upon.

No, I don't think we're off-topic...yet. The original post was about good he-man barbarian as opposed to bad unmanly civilized. We're in the process of defining the terms. You brought up a good point and Doc Hudson challenged it. You in turn defended your position. I'm going to suggest that you're closer to fact.
Coincidentally, you're supporting my post. Most of what we know as etiquette evolved from warriors working out how to negotiate, especially how to come to the table. Names become important for prisoner exchange and ransom, also to recognize those in power who may be the voice necessary in future negotiations. If you're not one of those people, Doc is right, you're toast.

You're not likely to find autobiographical barbarians, the civilized write about "them". Barbarian is not "us". You will find all barbarians trying to negotiate in a civilized manner at some point in their history.

(hmm, I'm using absolutes again, dangerous, aha, I can say the attempts at negotiation weren't not documented to support the civilized view that "they" were, indeed, barbarians, that oughta work>)