Poking fun at men in kilts.

[ronstew]

Some of the most the most conformist individuals I have ever met have claimed to be "non-conformists"

I came across a new paradoxical term recently: "The radical elite."

[KiltedKnight]

While surfing the internet for a decent site dedicated to kilts I've run up against and through sites like Tom's Cafe and somehow found X-Marks, so all the other sites were deleted and I stayed with X-Marks because it seems to be the most rational...until lately.

Slowly but surely even X-Marks is changing. It seems that many on this site wanted to wear the kilt for one reason or another whether it was pride in their heritage or just to be different and get away from the day to day commonly accepted tradition of wearing pants only for men.

Now there are those who are joining the ranks here at X-Marks who want to wear a kilt but that kilt should conform to their ideas of what a kilt should be and that nobody has any right to say how a kilt should be worn or what length it need be. I believe this is either a bleed-over from Tom's Cafe or these folks should be directed there to let them find out for themselves where they belong.

To get angry because the kilt by custom is worn a certain way as far as I am concerned and I would suppose any other dedicated kilter would feel is like being angry that the sun doesn't rise in the same part of the sky every morning and it disturbs them for whatever reason might exist.

Customize your car or your room or whatever belongs to you but leave what belongs to history alone. It doesn't belong to you to change. If you want to wear a Kilted Skirt then wear one, they're much cheaper than a traditional tank anyway.

Chris.

[Alan H]

Robinhood, in part I agree with what you're saying. I mean, when it comes right down to it, every person has the right to whatever they darned well want as long as they don't violate any municipal laws. So for example, wearing a KKK cap and hood isn't acceptable, and wearing see-through vinyl underwear and nothing else isn't acceptable, either. If I decided that I wanted to wear a tea-length floral chiffon dress, it's my right to bloody well wear a floral chiffon dress.

Also in support of what you say, there are a number of records about ancient great kilts that show that in fact those garments were worn at variety of lengths, not just at the currently proscribed knee-length.

So here's the deal, as I see it. I wholeheartedly agree that anyone has the RIGHT to wear whatever they darned well want, and that includes cross-dressing if that's what they want to do. I'm One Hundred Percent behind that basic principle, and that includes guys who wear tablecloths to Highland Games. If that's what they want to wear, then they have the right to wear it..

On the other hand, to my eyes, some forms of clothes look bad, or "not put together" or just plain silly...and other forms look good to me. That person whom I think looks ridiculous in their Official Star Trek top and Loud MacCleod trews and Donald Duck ski cap has every RIGHT to wear what they want.... but that doesn't mean I have to think that it looks great.

[Iolaus]

To get angry because the kilt by custom is worn a certain way as far as I am concerned and I would suppose any other dedicated kilter would feel is like being angry that the sun doesn't rise in the same part of the sky every morning and it disturbs them for whatever reason might exist.

Customize your car or your room or whatever belongs to you but leave what belongs to history alone. It doesn't belong to you to change. If you want to wear a Kilted Skirt then wear one, they're much cheaper than a traditional tank anyway.

This is just a variation of an old arguement between traditionalists and modernists; one that has been argued many times on this board and doesn't really need to be rehashed.

Your statement

"Slowly but surely even X-Marks is changing. It seems that many on this site wanted to wear the kilt for one reason or another whether it was pride in their heritage or just to be different and get away from the day to day commonly accepted tradition of wearing pants only for men.

identifies the problem, and it existed when you got here; the people who want "just to be different" have no strong tie to tradition, so the "rules" have never meant a great deal to them. To complain about them now fails to recognise that they were here before you wre.

Ever see this before?



That was the premise upon which this site was founded. To imply that custom is set in stone just relegates the kilt back to costume status.

[Mr. Kilt]

snip

"you should march to your own drummer".

Regards,

Todd

I've never marched to my own drummer. I prefer to polka.

[Riverkilt]

Aye Robinhood,

Well said.

Me, I think there's room for both. I treasure the formal advice on this board, but I also think the way for kilts to remain a fashion boom of common sense is to push the edges of "kilt fashion."

My gallery will show plenty of kilt mistakes, as well as some kilt ideas.

I'm very grateful to the guy who shared wearing Hawaiian shirts open with a t-shirt under with a solid kilt. (Today I'm at work in a green Hawaiian shirt with a sea turtle print, a USMC olive drab t-shirt, olive UK mocker, and (gasp) short olive dress sox with brown tennis shoes.

I'm also grateful to the guys that have shown us that jean jackets work well with kilts (thanks Pour1).

Kilts need to be as varied with fashion as pants are...

Its the brave souls on this board and elsewhere that push the envelope and discover new looks that work well.

Ron

[Colin]

I don't know. I wear my kilts in traditional and non traditional manners. However I am not wearing a kilt to start a fashion uprising, or to join some imaginary cause that some people seem to think is in effect.

This forum is very knowledgeable as a group, and we use our resources to promote the proper wearing of the kilt. The kilt is part of my family heritage and one which I am extremely proud of promoting. To see the way some people think the kilt should be worn can be insulting, but that is just me. Respectful things deserve respect.

In terms of pictures showing men wearing kilts too long, tightened with duct tape, backwards, etc.......we need to lighten up. Most, if not all, of us have worn the kilt wrong in some way or form and have been corrected by someone more knowledgable. We all started from point zero and had to learn. Some of us bought a book on kiltwearing, some of us had family or friends that could help, some of us found these forums before we started and used it as a resource and sounding board, etc. The point is we have all been there and most of us can laugh about it.

I can put a few pictures of myself in my early kilt wearing that make me cringe now. So a bit of a laugh is all in good humour once in awhile. So instead of getting insulted by it, maybe ask members to post their worst picture in a kilt for a laugh. I am sure alot of us have one, and I am not so politically correct or sensitive that I would not show it. What's good enough for the goose.....

Ever see this before?



That was the premise upon which this site was founded. To imply that custom is set in stone just relegates the kilt back to costume status.

The premise that this forum was founded on was a shared enjoyment of kilts. "Kilts are not costumes" was the catch prase and slogan of a kiltmaker that has not been on the board for awhile.

[Blu (Ontario)]

I've seen in several threads - people mentioning things
men do to look silly in a kilt. I find it particularly amusing that folks here can be so defensive about wearing a kilt... etc. etc. its funny that people who are supposed to be showing their security by wearing a kilt, are acturally showing their insecurity by poking fun at how some else wears a kilt differently.[/

I've got an idea.......

Let have a new Xmarks Pollyanna rule.

That from now on, nobody be allowed to post anything that might make light of, or be construed as a negative opinion of, anything related to kilts or those who choose to wear them... that this board be dedicated purely to self and peer congratulatory messages.

Any seconds.... ? :rolleyes:

[Pour1Malt]

weel no.... wee girnin' Robbie.... ai guess yur makin a gae a' me wi this.... :rolleyes:

...then deride others for
wearing a kilt in a fashion different than their
own.

ai wasnae diridin' folk fyr wearin a 'different fashion'... ai wuz (an will continue tae) pointin oot some "Do's an 'Don'ts" fur those o us whit intend tae wear kilts proodly and no look like numpties...

Those men who wear cowboy boots and hats with
their kilts get more respect from me, because they
are brave enough to violate the rules of "kilt fashion"
as much as they are to violate any other fashion rules.

weel guid fur ya wee lad.... respect people sans clue a' ya want... but dinnae confeese 'bravery' wi' glaikitness... theys nay the same....

So anyway, its funny that people who are supposed
to be showing their security by wearing a kilt, are
acturally showing their insecurity by poking fun at
how some else wears a kilt differently.

aye yur richt lad... ai'm sure ai'm the maist insecure pairson oan these bairds....
ai sit hame greetin an girnin a' the dee wishin ai wuz 'brave' enough tae walk oot tae my mai local pub wearin my kilt back tae front an hangin doon roon mai lizard skin platfairm boots... wi a hee'lan coo oan mai heid tae keep my lugs wairm an a wa'kin stick made oot o' Barbie dolls... :rolleyes:

a wee coordie 'clasnformist', aye thot's me, harnless hoodie....

[Valencian Kilted]

aye yur richt lad... ai'm sure ai'm the maist insecure pairson oan these bairds....
ai sit hame greetin an girnin a' the dee wishin ai wuz 'brave' enough tae walk oot tae my mai local pub wearin my kilt back tae front an hangin doon roon mai lizard skin platfairm boots... wi a hee'lan coo oan mai heid tae keep my lugs wairm an a wa'kin stick made oot o' Barbie dolls... :rolleyes:

a wee coordie 'clasnformist', aye thot's me, harnless hoodie....

..hehehe.... once u say that I'd suggest to include a spanish touch of bravery just adding to it a bullfighter jewelled jacket and a pair of pink socks... that would definitely be n unstopable combination :mrgreen:

¡Salud!

T O N O