Sgian Dubhs

[Southern Breeze]

Theres an article in the Scotsman on the UK knife ban. I put it in the OT section.
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=18241

[Caradoc]

Caradoc, that only applies on public property. On private property I can carry a claymore if I want to.

That's all well and good, Bubba, but how do you get from one private property to the other private property without crossing public property?

[bubba]

That's all well and good, Bubba, but how do you get from one private property to the other private property without crossing public property?

In a car generally, which is private property.

[Caradoc]

In a car generally, which is private property.

I'd beg to differ, and so would a number of the federal courts.

The local Gestapo^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hconstabulary can search your car on probable cause. A house or other property requires a warrant.

[davedove]

That's all well and good, Bubba, but how do you get from one private property to the other private property without crossing public property?

Most such laws have some sort of provision about travel to and from an allowed location.

[Colin]

I have never had any problems wearing a sgain dubh. I love the sgian dunh on the right, that is beautiful.

[Nick]

David, where do you live?

In Michigan, you cannot carry a fixed blade knife if it is hidden from view. But you can carry a fixed blade if it is visible, which means the sgian is legal because you can see the handle. There are certain places I won't wear it (high schools being #1 on that list, even though I've been out of HS for years), but otherwise, it's fine.

[bubba]

I'd beg to differ, and so would a number of the federal courts.

The local Gestapo^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hconstabulary can search your car on probable cause. A house or other property requires a warrant.

They need probable cause to search the car and that also applies to a house or any place else. These days probable cause is enough if they believe a delay could result in evidence disappearing. Heck, here they can't even pull you over for not wearing a seatbelt, they have to have another reason, but then they can fine you for a seatbelt violation in addition.

[ozmeath]

I think Ozmeath has set the basic caution - one just has to find out what the local legal thingy is, really.

Of course, in case of vacant or blank looks, one could try refering them to the protocol at the Palace of Westminster (i.e. Houses of Parliament in the UK), St James's Palace, Buckingham Palace, and Holyroodhouse Palace (all royal palaces), where a sgian dhubh is considered a ceremonial item of dress and not a weapon (unlike the bagpipes, for example, which are still considered a "weapon of war").

Damn that gave me a resounding and wry chuckle on the pipes aspect! You have got to be wreathed in red tape kiddun!!!I only laugh as its the H.G.Wells Shape of things...
Gods help us.

[KiltedKnight]

Here's something useful I found. It's a compilation of knife laws in the 50 states, compiled in 1996 for Blade Magazine.

Hey everyone, not to get technical or anything but these "laws" don't mean anything. These are not 'laws' it is all 'code'. We still have the right to keep and bear 'arms'.

These 'laws' in the first place are directed against "persons". Do you know what the definition is of "person"? That will confuse you right from the start. It is meant to. Learn the definition of terms, not words like 'person' and you'll see how the wonderful government at all levels will trick you into believing that 'codes' like these apply to us.

Secondly in a decision from the Washington state Supreme Court the court held in a case called "Self vs. Rhey" that 'code' is not law. If there is no law you have violated nothing and commited no crime. In the "Full faith and credit Act" the law says that any holding of one state must be honored in all states.

In another even greater case by the United States Supreme Court the court held in "Yick WO vs. Hopkins" that we are not subject to the 'law' which is called 'code'. "Code is written to define the limits of government" and the rulings of the USSC carry the weight of law.

Just a little lesson on the law.

Chris.