Legally kilted

[Retro Red]

Women wear pants, and that is socially acceptable. So why is it that men are looked down on in certain situations, or are made an example out of, because of some IDIOTS insecurities about men in "skirts"?

Patience, my fellow Kilties, just as Rome wasn't built in a day, it will take time to change the corporate & cultural view of men in kilts. Your reference to women wearing pants is an excellent example. When actress Marlene Dietrich began wearing pants regularly in the '30s, it was considered by many of the more conservative elements in America to be scandalous. And Corporate America, ever mindful of avoiding controversy or offending customers is inherently conservative (& bland).

Remember, it wasn't until the '80s & '90s that Corporate America began to allow women to wear pants in the workplace & that was only after women wearing pants had gained wide public acceptance. It took decades & the vast majority of women regularly wearing pants in non-business environments before American businesses would finally view pants as acceptable attire for the business woman. Unfortunately, until it becomes commonplace to see lots of men walking around in kilts, don't expect many businesses to consider kilts to be "acceptable" business attire.

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[Mattg]

Patience, my fellow Kilties, just as Rome wasn't built in a day, it will take time to change the corporate & cultural view of men in kilts. Your reference to women wearing pants is an excellent example. When actress Marlene Dietrich began wearing pants regularly in the '30s, it was considered by many of the more conservative elements in America to be scandalous. And Corporate America, ever mindful of avoiding controversy or offending customers is inherently conservative (& bland).

Remember, it wasn't until the '80s & '90s that Corporate America began to allow women to wear pants in the workplace & that was only after women wearing pants had gained wide public acceptance. It took decades & the vast majority of women regularly wearing pants in non-business environments before American businesses would finally view pants as acceptable attire for the business woman. Unfortunately, until it becomes commonplace to see lots of men walking around in kilts, don't expect many businesses to consider kilts to be "acceptable" business attire.

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It shall come to pass!! We must make it happen!

[TechBear]

The other day after much debate the head of my company's HR department with the VP decide that kilts were not appropriate unless worn for medical or religous reasons. With a medical or religous reason you can wear almost anything. The question is do any of my fellow x-markers know of any US legal cases to refute the HR deamons.

A comapny can set whatever dress code they wish. You can negotiate for an exception, either individually or through a union, but they are not required to give you one.

At least they are giving you a medical excuse option, I've known people who worked for companies that didn't, or who placed limits on what did and did not count as a "valid" excuse.

[phinz]

Burleson consulting and their dress code. Scroll down to the section about the family tartan.

more info

[Riverkilt]

Hey SB,

I still like Jerry Griffin's solution best....sick the clan attorneys on them. Read about it in the November 2004 Utilikilt Newsletter

http://www.utilikilts.com/news11-04.htm

It worked for him. Look about midway down the newsletter

Ron

[Mysticwolf]

Hey SB,

I still like Jerry Griffin's solution best....sick the clan attorneys on them. Read about it in the November 2004 Utilikilt Newsletter

http://www.utilikilts.com/news11-04.htm

It worked for him. Look about midway down the newsletter

Ron

Though Jerry's story is encouraging, I feel compelled to point out that he is an employee of a State University. Public employees have a leg up, so to speak, on those in private business and industry, where what the corporation says, goes.

[Riverkilt]

Aye, for sure.

But a strong point of Jerry's story is that clan attornies carry a big stick and can be a resource for the kilted in conflict.

Ron

[Mysticwolf]

Aye, for sure.

But a strong point of Jerry's story is that clan attornies carry a big stick and can be a resource for the kilted in conflict.

Ron

Good point Ron, and well taken!

[NewKilt]

This has indeed been a very interesting and inlightening thread. I would have to agree that companies in the private sector can set whatever dress code that the deem appropriate for the success of the business. I applaud those companies in the private sector that are forward thinking and do allow men to wear kilts to work if they choose to do so.

If kilts became a "current social norm" as have pants for women, then companies in the private sector would probably have a harder time prohibiting men from wearing a kilt in the workplace. That said, I don't think we are going to see kilts or any unbifurcated garment for men becoming a "current social norm" (in a western culture) in the near future. The words "current social norm" imply change, and things change very slowly.

Darrell

[macwilkin]

Aye, for sure.

But a strong point of Jerry's story is that clan attornies carry a big stick and can be a resource for the kilted in conflict.

Ron

But not every clan society has its own counsel, Ron -- the Clan Donald Society is certainly big enough to have one, but smaller societies, like my own, do not.

Just an observation.

T.