Flag Kilts

[morrison]

MacWage was after all, looking for opinion. So, I've offered my op.

I think national tartans were made so we wouldn't have to argue about this. I believe that if somebody wants to honor their country, region, state, city, etc. they should wear the tartan associated with it and keep the flag where it belongs: flying proudly at the top of the mast.

I do admire the skill required to put a flag in pleats, but I personally do not agree that it should be worn.

Ditto on the skill and national tartans.

I'd better put in on my feeling about wearing the flag as clothing. I will no more wear the flag of any nation as a focal point upon my clothing. I'll honor the nation in the wearing of the national color upon my clothing in an appropriately respectful fashion and general reference to the pennant or banner it flies, but if it starts looking like a flag or too near that imagery, it's naught for me. I find this attitude of mine most difficult to abide in. My daughter gave a precious gift to me. It was a white pullover sweatshirt with the American flag on it. I wore it proudly and often when with her and a number of times without, until I retired the sweatshirt for having shrunk due to washings. I also was given a ballcap with the Balde Headed eagle emblazoned onto the cap in front of the American flag. I love the gifts and proudly wear the life into them. It strains me to improperly display the flag. I'll be true to myself inasmuch as I am also honoring my loved and their love for me. I'll wear the hat as needed for glaring sun, then it's off. I have many hats, most are worn for a season then are either retired or discarded.

As for the American flag,
This link took me to:
The American Legion site of;
Flag etiquette of the United States
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...+United+States

and this link takes me to:

TITLE 4--FLAG AND SEAL, SEAT OF GOVERNMENT, AND THE STATES
CHAPTER 1--THE FLAG

http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title4/chapter1_.html

[Panache]

I should note that personally, I wouldn't be too interested in a Flag Kilt. I certainly think it's fine for other people. Hamish looks great in his (then again Hamish can pull off a rainbow kilt). I think Rex put it very well. Not to my tastes.

Cheers

[SingleBarrelBourbon]

HERE! HERE! I'm of the same thought

HERE! HERE! INDEED! (As I jump up on my soapbox)

As a US Navy Veteran and a member of the Patriot Guard Riders, I cannot tell you the number of times I have seen the US flag being worn in a manner to intentionally show total disrespect for it. When the PGR is on a mission, I make certain that everyone there knows how anal I am about the US Flag Code and remind them that I will take the US Flag away from them if I see it abused. Have not had any problems yet.

If a flag patch is worn in a manner that truly honors the flag and shows total respect for it, more power to the person wearing it.

(Now jumping down from my soapbox, hope I don't hurt myself)

[Panache]

Gentlemen,

I am noticing that this thread is getting a tad heated, probably due to all the exercise from jumping up and down on various soapboxes. Let's keep it on kilts and try not to get too excited. There are many good thoughts here from different people. Let's make sure we keep it cool and collected though.

Respectfully

[macwilkin]

Gentlemen,

I am noticing that this thread is getting a tad heated, probably due to all the exercise from jumping up and down on various soapboxes. Let's keep it on kilts and try not to get too excited. There are many good thoughts here from different people. Let's make sure we keep it cool and collected though.

Respectfully

Thanks to Panache and MacWage for "self-policing" so far in this thread. We Mods do appreciate the help! :mrgreen:

As the other vexillologist on the board, I tend to agree with this sentiment:

I think national tartans were made so we wouldn't have to argue about this. I believe that if somebody wants to honor their country, region, state, city, etc. they should wear the tartan associated with it and keep the flag where it belongs: flying proudly at the top of the mast.

That sums it up quite nicely for me in terms of my opinion.

Thanks, gents, for keeping it civil -- keep it up!

Cheers,

Todd

[MacWage]

I ask BECAUSE this forum is INTERNATIONAL. Therefore, the opinions SHOULD vary drastically.

I am most curious as to the rationales and would like to understand the various POVs expresses on the various other threads.

If moderators see this thread as out of line and want to lock it or delete it. Just PM me as to the reasoning and I'll be fine with that.

[Mike1]

If moderators see this thread as out of line and want to lock it or delete it. Just PM me as to the reasoning and I'll be fine with that.

We're fine with it, so long as everyone remains resepctful of others' opinions and there are no 'hot-buttons' being pushed.

And to chime in - I cannot see how I would be respectful to a flag when I am sitting on it. As for those flags that I might consider sitting on , why would I want to promote them while standing up?

[78_Celt]

I cannot see how I would be respectful to a flag when I am sitting on it. As for those flags that I might consider sitting on , why would I want to promote them while standing up?

I couldn't have said it better myself! I also agree with several other comments that too many people in the US have grown too lazy and disrepectful with our national flag. I think that you should show the same respect to your flag that you feel for your country.

[mddock58]

As with many others, I agree most kilts with a "flag" design, are firstly designed as a kilt, and the flag represented is intended to be honored in it's use.

Therefore I don't have a problem with them in general. There is also the fact that others may find offense with them, and dealing with that can cause difficulties while wearing them.

This is, and always will be a sensitive subject, for some more than others, so as MacWage states:

Now gents and lasses, lets try to keep this civil and out of lockdown.

[phil h]

union kilts make some nice looking flag kilts, I would wear the England one if the back was black, I don't like the red kilt the flag comes on. I would not have a problem with the saltire on the front or the back, if I was Scottish, I would wear one, but I realise this is a touchy issue for some. I think the saltire kilt with the cross on the back is an amazing thing. remember its not a flag, it's a kilt, big difference, I believe in showing respect for flags, but I also think wearing a kilt that represents a flag is the utmost show of respect.if there was a nicer looking union jack kilt or a George cross one (like my avitar), I would wear it.other than that, try wearing your flag on a t-shirt or a belt buckle.
take a look at my belt buckles
http://mykilts.tripod.com/id11.html