Recent Irish kilt question

[HarborSpringsPiper]

FWIW, the Mods here do a good job from where I sit. I'm sure it's a thankless job and one where it would be impossible to please everybody.

[escherblacksmith]

To concur, I have been a moderator on a number of forums, far more homogeneous than this one, they have just the right touch in my opinion.

As to the request for a low-moderated sub-forum, I'd say this. Unless you are going to require people to cite sources of informatin (with footnotes or the like), you are going to end up with a "You are wrong because I said so!". This is nigh invariable.

Find virtually any free-for-all political forum out there (and there are many) and that is what you get.

[O'Callaghan]

Just one plea. Will those posters who repeatedly say there's "no history of" something they know goes back to the 19th century please stop saying it? Hello, it's the 21st century now, you know. I can't think of any good reason to make such a statement, but several bad ones.

[macwilkin]

Just one plea. Will those posters who repeatedly say there's "no history of" something they know goes back to the 19th century please stop saying it? Hello, it's the 21st century now, you know. I can't think of any good reason to make such a statement, but several bad ones.

I think most folks who are "in the know" about the Irish and kilts would agree with the statement that it goes back to the 19th century -- in fact, it's pretty much a given that the Irish adoption of Highland attire began at the end of the 19th and early 20th century -- it's the claim that the Irish wore kilts before that time that "they" have problems with.

T. (The pedantic pedagogue)

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I think most folks who are "in the know" about the Irish and kilts would agree with the statement that it goes back to the 19th century -- in fact, it's pretty much a given that the Irish adoption of Highland attire began at the end of the 19th and early 20th century -- it's the claim that the Irish wore kilts before that time that "they" have problems with.

T. (The pedantic pedagogue)

I'm in agreement with Todd, all the way, with this one. I would add, however, that in the century or so that he is referring to, kilt wearing in Ireland was viewed by the Irish as an eccentricity (most likely the creation of the Anglo-Irish gentry) and rarely, if ever, actually worn by your average Irishman who regarded (and still regards) the kilt as "Scottish".

Yes, I know that the kilt is worn by pipe bands in the Irish defense forces. But in accepting this fact one has to remember that virtually all of the "traditions" of the Irish military-- and this includes the kilt-- were adapted from the British after independence.

No one, on this forum or elsewhere, has ever produced a shred of evidence to show that, aside from a few eccentrics, some dancers, and the post-1921 Irish army pipe bands, there is any real historical evidence to suggest the kilt was an item of everyday wear in Ireland at any time.

If someone wants to wear a kilt in an "Irish" tartan, that's fine by me. Just don't dress it up in some kind of specious pseudo-history and try to pass it off as the garb of ancient Hibernia.

[macwilkin]

I'm in agreement with Todd, all the way, with this one. I would add, however, that in the century or so that he is referring to, kilt wearing in Ireland was viewed by the Irish as an eccentricity most likely the creation of the Anglo-Irish gentry, and rarely, if ever, actually worn by your average Irishman who regarded (and still regards) the kilt as "Scottish".

Yes, I know that the kilt is worn by pipe bands in the Irish defense forces. But in accepting this fact one has to remember that virtually all of the "traditions" of the Irish military-- and this includes the kilt-- were adapted from the British after independence.

No one, on this forum or elsewhere, has ever produced a shred of evidence to show that, aside from a few eccentrics, some dancers, and the post-1921 Irish army pipe bands, there is any real historical evidence to suggest the kilt was an item of everyday wear in Ireland at any time.

If someone wants to wear a kilt in an "Irish" tartan, that's fine by me. Just don't dress it up in some kind of specious pseudo-history and try to pass it off as the garb of ancient Hibernia.

Spot on, Rathdown. If this post doesn't answer the question, then I'm the King of Bulgaria!

T.

[JRB]

...it's pretty much a given that the Irish adoption of Highland attire began at the end of the 19th and early 20th century...T. (The pedantic pedagogue)

The key words in the above quote are "Irish adoption of Highland attire". That is to say, any historical information of the Irish wearing kilts must be understood to be the Irish wearing the traditional dress of another culture (i.e. the Scottish Highlanders) as a way to celebrate or embrace their common ancestors, the Celts. I have absolutely no problem with that. But the bottom line is the kilt is a Scottish Highlands garment.

[McClef]

Those items of discussion that are banned are banned for a good reason and it's not for reasons of desire to censor but because more heat than light is generated by them.

I have seen what can happen on unmoderated forums and the effects can be far from pleasant. It sucks in more and more people and everybody always seems to want to have the last word.

As Panache says, we all have our own opinions etc but sometimes we have to leave them at the door.

The rules are currently undergoing revision and will hopefully make things clearer as to the whys and wherefores etc.

[Stratherrick]

In a nutshell, to me the kilt came from the common Scoto-Irish leine.

Oh, and if you haven't picked it up after a year, the prime reason for wearing my kilt is political.

For the sake of harmony, I have vowed not to discuss the reasons why on this board.

Slainte

Bruce

[Jock Scot]

In a nutshell, to me the kilt came from the common Scoto-Irish leine.

Oh, and if you haven't picked it up after a year, the prime reason for wearing my kilt is political.

For the sake of harmony, I have vowed not to discuss the reasons why on this board.

Slainte

Bruce

Good lord, I had never even considered for a second, that the wearing of the kilt, these days, was a political act!