April 16, 1746

[BoldHighlander]

No dispute there, Jock! However, since I'm in a living history group of Appin Stewarts, I'd feel strange being seen "on the other side." Though most of my Scottish ancestors come from families that supported the Government, so maybe I should switch sides...

(I should note that not having lived in that period, I have no particular leanings one way or the other regarding the Hanover King or the King o'er the Water.)

Funny you should mention this Sir William, for earlier today I was thinking about my own kin & connections to a few Highland clans, half of whom supported the Jacobites & the other half that supported the House of Hanover....it puts me in that position of which side do I support?

Thus, while my chosen clan affiliation is with a clan (Macdonnell of Keppoch) that was very staunch in its Jacobite leanings, I choose to remember & honour my ancestors from both sides who lived (& died) in those times as best as they could.

Cheers!

[Micric]

Jock,

You seem to have the knack of always saying just the right thing!

[Jock Scot]

Jock,

You seem to have the knack of always saying just the right thing!

Er------not always!

[MacBean]

Culloden wasn't just another battle, but a tragedy, quite apart from any politcal or regligious maneuverings that mean little today.

[macwilkin]

Culloden wasn't just another battle, but a tragedy, quite apart from any politcal or regligious maneuverings that mean little today.

True enough. But in order to understand it, we need to discuss those things at times.

I promise I'll stop talking shop in the mess now.

T.

[MacBob]

Hello Cajunscot. I agree that those who have suffered any form of persecution would choose a cause that they may not wholly agree with, but would go along with it to try to redress wrongs visited upon them.

Nothing is ever straightforward is it

[LANCER1562]

I plan to wear a kilt on Friday but I'm torn between my SWK Balck Stewart and my SWK Black Watch (Government?). Any suggestions/recommendations?

Does anyone know the position the Border clans took in that dispute? Being a Kerr (Borders) I would be interested in any information. Also my Living History group recreates the battles that took place at Prestonpans(sp?) and Killiecranikie.

[kennethrmc]

I'll be wearing my MacIntosh tartan. Though the cause is long dead, the clan were clearly Jacobite supporters; BPC was hidden briefly at Moy Hall and there's a marker to the MacIntosh dead at Culloden. So, to honor my kinfolk's sacrifice (without disparaging anyone on the other side of the conflict) the clan colors seem appropriate for the day.

[MacBean]

I'll be wearing my MacIntosh tartan. Though the cause is long dead, the clan were clearly Jacobite supporters; BPC was hidden briefly at Moy Hall and there's a marker to the MacIntosh dead at Culloden. ...

I think that is not completely the case, or at least, claims to the contrary are possible. The MacKintosh Chief fought on the Hanoverian side, and I believe (a bit of trouble verifying this bit) his wife, Lady Ann, raised Clan Chattan in his support. Later she raised a regiment of Clan Chattan on the Stuart (Jacobite) side which was at the forefront of the charge at Drumossie Moor, appears to have broken through the opposing lines and died in great numbers. I do not know whether the Chief was at the battle of Culloden itself or not though; perhaps ThistleDown can fill in the details?

[Redshank]

it's appropriate to remember 16th April 1746, and in my view commendable to so, the actual battle fought on Drumossie Moor, Culloden is said to have lasted no more than 1 hour, Bonnie Prince Charlie and the Highland army of a poorly led Jacobites, tired and weary fought bravely for a just and rightfull cause despite the fact that they where outnumbered 3 to 1 by the Government troops under Cumberlands command.
But you must also remember the bloody slaughter that continued after the battle for days, weeks, and many months, when the Butchers men roamed the highland slaughtering without mercy anyone suspected of being a jacobite sympathizer.
So remember April 16th 1746 not just for the battle, or for the slaughter, rape and pillage that followed, but as the beginning of the end of a way of life in the Highlands of Scotland that would be lost forever.