White Cockade

[cavscout]

No one likes a quitter

[Ancienne Alliance]

Let's keep this thread clean and away from politics, gentlemen.

This is a place to talk about all the 'stuff' that can go with the Kilt.

If you just can't help yourself, I'm afraid I'll have to close it.


Thank you,

Robert

[Chas]

Let's keep this thread clean and away from politics, gentlemen.

This is a place to talk about all the 'stuff' that can go with the Kilt.

If you just can't help yourself, I'm afraid I'll have to close it.


Thank you,

Robert

With all respect, Robert, how can anyone discuss the white cockade without discussing politics? It is after all a political and religious symbol. We are not discussing blue cockades, or red, or green, or saffron, or any other colour in the spectrum. We are specifically discussing white cockades.

There are members who will wear it as a fashion item and those who wear it as a statement and those who wear it because they think is Scottish and they have to wear it. But regardless of knowledge or ignorance, the wearing of the white cockade is making a political statement.

To answer the OP's question. I see the white cockade as a Jacobite symbol and a Roman Catholic symbol. I will not wear one.

Regards

Chas

[Woodsheal]

I wear one when in my reenactor role as a 1745 Jacobite. I don't wear one with any present-day highland dress, as I think current "Jacobite" efforts are a tad on the silly/bizarre/bogus side.

This thread can only descend into a political morass...!

[Jack Daw]

I wear one when in my reenactor role as a 1745 Jacobite. I don't wear one with any present-day highland dress, as I think current "Jacobite" efforts are a tad on the silly/bizarre/bogus side.

This thread can only descend into a political morass...!

Ditto.

[robbiethepiper]

Perhaps some of the historians on the forum might care to give authoritative opinion as to the extent Jacobism was synonymous with Catholicism? OK, Charles was Catholic, but my reading suggests that a very significant proportion of Jacobites (including many of the gentry and at least one minister) were in fact Protestant. Given a largely protestant England and a Catholic France, one can see why labelling the Jacobites as all Catholics would have been a very useful piece of propaganda for those politically opposed to them. Anyone have provable facts?

[Ancienne Alliance]

It's one thing to say: The cockade is a political and religious symbol; period.
This is info. Fair enough. And it's a whole other story to gives one's personnal comments and feelings about it...
So we should not "discuss the white cockade". Just give neutral encyclopedic information.
Otherwise it can very quickly degenerate into a heated debate . I'm sure this is obvious and very clear. There are many other places for this on the Internet. Not here, gentlemen.

Thank you,


Best,

Robert

[Calico]

I'd like to expand on my previous post and say that until this thread I had never heard of a white cockade having significance of any kind.

I doubt if one in 10,000 are aware of it in Europe, the Americas and NZ/Australia. Far fewer anywhere else.

It is silly to say it is a political or religious symbol to anyone other than those few who recognize it as such.

[macwilkin]

I'd like to expand on my previous post and say that until this thread I had never heard of a white cockade having significance of any kind.

I doubt if one in 10,000 are aware of it in Europe, the Americas and NZ/Australia. Far fewer anywhere else.

It is silly to say it is a political or religious symbol to anyone other than those few who recognize it as such.

So it's use as a symbol in a historic period is "silly", and we historians are "silly" for even mentioning it? Sorry, but as an educator, I respectfully disagree.

T.

[Calico]

My apologies, I did not like to use the word "silly" but could not think of the more appropriate term, which I have decided is "presumptuous".

Historical accuracy if fine. Thinking it means anything to anyone other than fellow historians is ... not reasonable.

Better?