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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGumerait View Post
    Chris ,

    I was wondering if this could have been a list of men that the clans could raise leading up to Culloden as it was fought in April of 1746 , however , I think I am wrong on that thought . After checking some hsitorical info ( see below ) I discovered there were only apprx 6,180 in the Jacobite army at Culloden . The info below is a bit lenghty , but I found it rather interesting so thought I would share it with everyone .

    Best regards , Mike


    Order of battle: Culloden, 16th April 1746

    Jacobite army

    Charles Edward Stuart
    Colonel John William Sullivan

    Escort troop

    Fitzjames' Horse: 16 men.
    Lifeguards: 16 men.

    Commanded by Capt O'Shea. This unit was the prince's escort.



    Lord George Murray's Division


    Atholl Brigade: 500 men (3 battalions).

    Raised not as a clan but as a feudal levy. Possibly consisted of 3 regiments. Suffered badly from desertion.


    Cameron of Lochiel's Regiment: abt 650–700 men.

    Led by Sir Donald Cameron of Lochiel. Regarded as one of the strongest Jacobite units, and as elite.


    Stewarts of Appin or Appin Regiment: 250 men.

    Led by Charles Stuart of Ardsheal. The regiment suffered from desertion. During the campaign it suffered 90 killed, 65 wounded.



    Lord John Drummond's Division.


    Lord Lovat's Regiment: abt 300 men.

    Led at Culloden by Charles Fraser of Inverallochie, whose battalion was numbered at about 300. The Master of Lovat's battalion missed the battle by several hours.


    Lady Mackintosh's Regiment: abt 350 men.

    Sometimes referred to in secondary sources as Clan Chattan Regiment. A composite unit, like the Athole Brigate. Led by Alexander McGillivray of Dunmaglass. Lost most of its officers at Culloden.


    Farquharson of Monaltrie's Battalion: 150 men.

    Consisted of mostly Highlanders but not all. Described by James Logie as "dressed in highland clothes mostly". Included a party of MacGregors.


    Maclachlans and Macleans: abt 200 men.

    Commanded by Lachlan Maclachlan of Castle Lachlan and Maclean of Drimmin (who served as Lt Col). The unit campaigned as part of the Athole Brigade, though fought at Culloden for the first time as a stand alone unit.


    Chisholms of Strathglass: abt 80 men.

    This very small unit was led by Roderick Og Chisholm. Suffered very heavy casualties at Culloden.



    Duke of Perth's Division.


    MacDonald of Keppoch's Regiment. 200 men.

    Commanded by Alexander MacDonald of Keppoch. This small regiment consisted of MacDonalds of Keppoch, MacDonalds of Glencoe, Mackinnons and MacGregors.


    MacDonald of Clanranald's Regiment: 200 men.

    Commanded by MacDonald of Clanranald, younger, who was wounded during the battle. Disbanded at Fort Augustus about 18 April 1746.


    MacDonnell of Glengarry's Regiment: 500 men.

    Commanded by Donald MacDonnell of Lochgarry. This regiment included a unit of Grants of Glenmoriston and Glen Urquhart.



    John Roy Stuart's Division (reserve)


    Lord Lewis Gordon's Regiment

    John Gordon of Avochie's Battalion: 300 men.

    Commanded by John Gordon of Avochie.


    Moir of Stonywood's Battalion: 200 men.

    Commanded by James Moir of Stonywood. The unit, unlike the others of this regiment, was made up largely of volunteers.


    1/Lord Ogilvy's Regiment: 200 men.

    Commanded by Thomas Blair of Glassclune.


    2/Lord Ogilvy's Regiment: 300 men.

    Commanded by Sir James Johnstone.


    John Roy Stuart's Regiment: abt 200 men.

    Commanded by Maj Patrick Stewart. Also known as the Edinburgh Regiment, because of where it was raised.


    Footguards. abt 200 men.

    Commanded by William, Lord Kilmarnock. A composite unit.


    Glenbuchet's Regiment. 200 men.

    Commanded by John Gordon of Glenbuchat.


    Duke of Perth's Regiment: 300 men.

    James Drummond, Master of Strathallan. The unit included a party of MacGregors.


    Irish Brigade.

    Garde Écossaise: 350 men.

    Commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel Lord Lewis Drummond.


    Irish Picquets: 302 men.

    Commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel Walter Stapleton.


    Cavalry
    (Commanded by Sir John MacDonald of Fitzjames' Horse)

    Right Squadron

    Fitzjames' Horse: 70 men.

    Commanded by Capt William Bagot.


    Lifeguards: 30 men.

    Commanded by David, Lord Elcho.


    Left Squadron

    Scotch Hussars: 36 men.

    Commanded by Maj John Bagot.


    Strathallan's Horse: 30 men.

    Commanded by William, Lord Strathallan.


    Artillery.

    11 x 3-pounders.

    Commanded by Capt John Finlayson.

    1 x 4-pounders.
    And of course, you will not see the Macphersons, lead by Cluny, on the aforementioned list, because they did not take part in Culloden - the arrived too late after being involved in a bit of skirmish in Atholl. However, the Macphersons fought gallantly and with much pride and honour at Falkirk Muir, Prestonpans, Derby, and other skirmishes throughout the Jacobite campaign of 1745-46.

    The present Chief of the Clan Macpherson, Sir William Alan Macpherson of Cluny and Blairgowrie, TD, is a direct descendent of Andrew Macpherson of Cluny, first cousin to (Chief) Colonel Ewan Macpherson of Cluny. Andrew was killed at Falkirk Muir.

    Cheers,
    Last edited by creagdhubh; 10th May 12 at 09:45 AM.

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    An interesting document to say the least. I have a question regarding spellings. (I've read through the posts and did not see a mention. And I apologize if this is something obvious that I've missed...) Why are all the Mac..... spelled Mc.... ? My very limited knowledge of Scottish and Irish nomenclature is that the Irish spelling is Mc, and Scottish is Mac. Not knit picking - just curious. Can someone set me straight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RAF View Post
    An interesting document to say the least. I have a question regarding spellings. (I've read through the posts and did not see a mention. And I apologize if this is something obvious that I've missed...) Why are all the Mac..... spelled Mc.... ? My very limited knowledge of Scottish and Irish nomenclature is that the Irish spelling is Mc, and Scottish is Mac. Not knit picking - just curious. Can someone set me straight?
    spelling wasn't an exact science then!

    Although we tend to think of Mac as Scottish and Mc as Irish today, it was not always thus! and nothing should really be read into different spellings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulhenry View Post
    spelling wasn't an exact science then!

    Although we tend to think of Mac as Scottish and Mc as Irish today, it was not always thus! and nothing should really be read into different spellings.
    Well, that makes perfect sense! Too simple to figure out on my own . Thank you Paul for the enlightenment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulhenry View Post
    spelling wasn't an exact science then!

    Although we tend to think of Mac as Scottish and Mc as Irish today, it was not always thus! and nothing should really be read into different spellings.
    ***

    Many people of that particular time period spelled names and surnames phonetically (although illiteracy was rampant with the lower classes), that is, how the names were written based upon how they sounded when spoken. This is why you see so many sept names sounding like the original clan name, yet spelled differently. For example: With the Clan Macpherson, there are several associated family (sept) surnames that do not look exactly like 'Macpherson,' but certainly sound like it when correctly pronounced; surnames such as Fersen, Parson, Person, Pearson, etc.

    The whole 'Mac' being Scottish and 'Mc' being Irish is pure rubbish. The prefix of 'Mac' or 'Mc' and how it is spelled comes directly from family preference and basically how the surname was always spelled within a particular family. I know many Macphersons that spell their surname in different ways, yet we are all derived from the same progenitor of the clan.

    Slainte mhath,
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    You'll also see Mac not only abbreviated as Mc, but as M'.

    They are all the same word, pronounced the same way; the latter two were merely abbreviations used for convenience in writing.
    "It's all the same to me, war or peace,
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    Lady Mackintosh's Regiment: abt 350 men.

    Sometimes referred to in secondary sources as Clan Chattan Regiment. A composite unit, like the Athole Brigate. Led by Alexander McGillivray of Dunmaglass. Lost most of its officers at Culloden.
    My 5th great grandfather, Angus MacTavish, fought in this regiment and was killed at Culloden. His widow and children were transported from Aberdeen to Savannah, Georgia in 1746, where his son served a seven-year indenture.
    Although the MacTavish name is not mentioned in the OP-cited list, there is now a memorial stone at Culloden honoring the MacTavishes who died there.

    I also find it interesting that some of the clans are conspicuously missing from the list, including the Campbells, some of whom fought on the English side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Seago View Post
    You'll also see Mac not only abbreviated as Mc, but as M'.

    They are all the same word, pronounced the same way; the latter two were merely abbreviations used for convenience in writing.
    Quite right, Dale.

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    I've seen this list a couple of times before I believe. I've been reading the old Highland Monthly magazines that were published from the 1870's to the early 1900's. The list has been in a couple different articles in various issues of the magazine. I can't recommend reading these old magazines highly enough. They are full of old interesting articles like this list of clans. You can get the magazines for free in epub or pdf format on the Project Guttenburg website. They are collected togeather by year and are between 400-500 pages long.
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    Our chief and his father have done research on the Appin Regiment and have a list of casualties:
    Appin Regiment Casualties
    STEWARTS of APPIN Killed Wounded
    ARDSHEAL'S FAMILY 8 3
    FASHACLOICH'S FAMILY 2 4
    ACHNACONE'S FAMILY 2 0
    INVERNANYLE'S FAMILY 4 12
    STEWARTS (followers) of APPIN 6 6
    Totals 22 25
    COMMONERS (followers of APPIN)
    MacCOLLs 18 15 18 15
    MacLARENs 13 4 13 4
    CARMICHAELs 6 2 6 2
    MacCOMBICHs 5 3 5 3
    Macintyres 5 5 5 5
    MacInnishes or MacInnises 4 2 4 2
    MacIldeus or Blacks 1 0 1 0
    MacKenzies 2 3 2 3
    MacCorquodales 1 0 1 0
    M'Uchaders 1 0 0 1
    Hendersons 1 1 1 1
    MacRankins 1 0 1 0
    MacCormacks (Buchanans) 5 1 5 1
    Camerons 0 1 0 1
    MacDonalds 0 1 0 1
    MacLachlans 2 0 2 0
    MacLeas (Livingstones) 4 1 4 1
    MacArthurs 1 0 1 0
    Volunteer, Geo. Haldane, Nephew to Lanrick, Ardsheal having married Haldane or Lanrick's sister 1 0 1 0
    Totals 70 40
    TOTAL REGIMENT CASUALTIES 92 65

    Greg Livingston
    Commissioner
    Clan MacLea (Livingstone)

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