Arrogance and Antagonism

[Blu (Ontario)]

...I hope that they both stop in and see that there are a number of people here that do appreciate what they have to say and can just ignore the one's that don't.

Well said.

[highlandtide]

Well I guess it it time I weigh publicly on this issue.

I read Phil's posts numerous times. I am going to have to agree with Bear that although gruff, Phil was making the point that we can argue this into the ground but at the end of the day none of us will ever know so lets just go get a beer and chill out.
Now that doesnt mean I am taking sides here either. I think that Robbie proved his case very gracefully and Phil just didn't want to argue back.

Now some of you may wonder why I let this argument continue. Well the fact is this IS a kilt related argument and therefore a valid one for this forum. I am sorry that some people got their feelings hurt but the non-topic arguments that we had earlier were much more heated.

I do wish David and Robbie would stick around. I think they have a lot to contribute.

Sit down Alaskan Celt. This may come as a shock...
I am in total agreeance with you about the "Would the comments of a Pakistani living in Scotland be of greater value than person of Scottish decent living in Atlanta? " The name of this forum started as a play on words. You can also go to www.kiltinaction.com and www.kiltforum.com and it will bring you to the same site. Both sides of my family are Scottish decendants and I wont have a Scot telling me that just b/c they live in Scotland that their opinion is more valid. Sorry fellas I hope that doesnt hurt your feelings even more.

As for the kilt vs. skirt issue. This is another dead-horse. You guys know what this forum is about and that is that. Kilts. solid or tartan, great or small, Irish or Scottish, modern or traditional.


So to sum up...I am sorry that Robbie and David want to leave. There is a place for them here, but it is their choice. They do however need to recognize the fact that full Highland Dress is not the future of the kilt.

[phil h]

quote me" I don't give a ***** about what our grandfathers did"
what I was trying to say was, it does not matter how our grand fathers acted towards each other, I don't hold anything against you for the things your grandfather did, or mine to yours.we should get over things from the past and not let it get in the way of us being friends. that's the problem with things today, bitterness over what happened 100's of years ago. let bygones be bygones, get over it and let's just shake hands and I'll buy you a pint.

[Jimmy Carbomb]

quote me" I don't give a ***** about what our grandfathers did"
what I was trying to say was, it does not matter how our grand fathers acted towards each other, I don't hold anything against you for the things your grandfather did, or mine to yours.we should get over things from the past and not let it get in the way of us being friends. that's the problem with things today, bitterness over what happened 100's of years ago. let bygones be bygones, get over it and let's just shake hands and I'll buy you a pint.

MAN! Can I relate to that one!
You have a deal on that pint!

Okay Robbie and KiltedScot. Your point's been taken by all, and it's well put. Now that we know where everyone stands... post. Back to what this place is all about.

[macwilkin]

They do however need to recognize the fact that full Highland Dress is not the future of the kilt.

Hank -- I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point, because I think traditional Highland attire will always be with us. Oh, sure, there will always be fashion "trends" and "fads", but the look of traditional highland attire is timeless. Witness of the wedding photos with powder-blue tuxedoes, which look so out-of-date -- yet the traditional look never goes out of style, no matter how much the "trend-setters" and "fad followers" would like them to.

As many of you know, I am a "bluff old traditionalist" (and proud of it!), so my opinions are usually in line with Robbie & Kiltedscot on most issues. That being said, I pride myself on trying to be tolerant of others who do not share my personal opinions on not only the topic of highland attire, but on other topics as well. But, I expect that same tolerance extended to me -- and I am certainly not saying that anyone on this board has been anything less than tolerant to me personally. Everyone has been hospitable and willing to listen to different points-of-view.

What I cannot abide is the non-conformist in our society who is just as intolerant as the "conformist" he attacks. One cannot preach "tolerance" of non-conformist actions or beliefs and then say, "you must conform to my way of non-conformist way of thinking".

T.

[KiltedHuntsman]

I make it policy to wave bye-bye to anyone who threatens to leave. I have no patience for that particular gambit.

[GMan]

Peace to us all as we move on. All posts are important to me, I hope that others feel the same.

[Colin]

They do however need to recognize the fact that full Highland Dress is not the future of the kilt.

Hank -- I have to respectfully disagree with you on this point, because I think traditional Highland attire will always be with us. Oh, sure, there will always be fashion "trends" and "fads", but the look of traditional highland attire is timeless. Witness of the wedding photos with powder-blue tuxedoes, which look so out-of-date -- yet the traditional look never goes out of style, no matter how much the "trend-setters" and "fad followers" would like them to.

T.

episcopalscot, I don't think that anyone is wanting traditional highland attire to go out of style. I think that the majority of us on this board admire and respect the traditional highland attire as a formal choice. However, I do agree with Hank in that highland attire is no longer the sole choice for those that are wearing a kilt in a more casual sense. I wouldn't only wear a tuxedo if I wanted to wear black pants, so why must we all only be subjected to strict regulations on how to wear a kilt? We have many options today, and it is good to see people using those options on both sides of the table. I hope the tradioanl formal attire is around for a long time to come.....(unlike the powder blue tuxs). I often wear a kilt casually, but take the information provided by more "traditionalists" and try and incorportate it into my style.

I respect the opinions and the information that both Robbie and Kiltedscot have brought to this board, not because they live in Scotland, but rather for the same reason I respect Hamish, because they have had more years of kilt wearing. If either decides to leave this forum, I wish them luck your posts and insight will be missed.

In terms of "Would the comments of a Pakistani living in Scotland be of greater value than person of Scottish decent living in Atlanta? " I could not agree more Alaskan Celt! I have Scottish blood from both sides of my family, and I live in a country whose past was profoundly directed by Scots. Our past is what helps make us what we are.

[Raphael]

I am Chinese and live in Canada. Does that make me less Chinese because I don't live in Mainland China?

[macwilkin]

Colin -- agree with you 100% -- you've hit the nail on the head as fas as folks from both camps learning from each other -- that's what the forum is about after all.

T.