To the Kilted Clergy of the group

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Another aside, in the Roman tradition the purple used for Lent is often a deeper shade (called Roman Purple) than that used for Advent.

Not in my experience. Every Roman Catholic clergyman I've ever met wore the same exact vestments for Advent and Lent. Those things are expensive, after all!

Seriously, I've never heard of different shades of purple being used for these two liturgical season. The same color is prescribed for Advent and Lent in the current liturgical rubrics, and I don't see any evidence for this being a change from past practice.

M

[Galician]

Not in my experience. Every Roman Catholic clergyman I've ever met wore the same exact vestments for Advent and Lent. Those things are expensive, after all!

Seriously, I've never heard of different shades of purple being used for these two liturgical season. The same color is prescribed for Advent and Lent in the current liturgical rubrics, and I don't see any evidence for this being a change from past practice. M

I understand that they are expensive!! That is why I said that they often are, not always, or even usually.

I also agree that the rubrics call simply for purple, but I have been involved in ordering liturgical items for thirty years, and the catalogs have always listed the two shades. So SOMEBODY must be ordering them.

It's important to remember that our norms are not just what is commonly done here, but based on an international practice. I have seen how Italian and German pastors wear the shoulder cape, which is an item NEVER seen in this country for the general clergy.

[thescot]

I would definitely go for the tank and wear a more sedate collared shirt. (Red looks like a cardinal--the clergy, not the bird--and might be a bit overwhelming.) Ozman's attire shows a good choice, I think.

A plain collared shirt lets everyone knew who the clergyman in charge is, but it also doesn't "overdo." YOu can wear a tab collar like Ozman or get a full collar; both look good with a black or gray shirt, and the price won't break the bank. Of course, I don't know what denomination you come from, so that may influence your thinking as well.

I've never performed any sacerdotal duties while kilted myself, so I am a bit envious of your situation. Keep us posted, and let good taste prevail.

[Ozman1944]

Black is the traditional color for clergy; and these days white or grey for summer. Also Purple for Bishop, Red for Cardinal.
Other colors are regarded as a bit 'worldly' for someone who is supposed to be living less extravagantly.
Manufacturers have come up with other colors, (blue, green, brown, orange hawaiian etc.) but these are really sales 'gimmicks' (Like glass or pottery 'chalices' instead of metal) and not regarded as proper in Church Canonical tradition.
But various Protestant Clergy who do wear the collar rather than suit & tie, often wear these. They are very popular with some Afro-American churches.

[gilmore]

Black is the traditional color for clergy; and these days white or grey for summer. Also Purple for Bishop, Red for Cardinal.
Other colors are regarded as a bit 'worldly' for someone who is supposed to be living less extravagantly.
Manufacturers have come up with other colors, (blue, green, brown, orange hawaiian etc.) but these are really sales 'gimmicks' (Like glass or pottery 'chalices' instead of metal) and not regarded as proper in Church Canonical tradition.
But various Protestant Clergy who do wear the collar rather than suit & tie, often wear these. They are very popular with some Afro-American churches.

As I recall some Protestant ministers---I believe some Methodists-- change their vestments with the seasons, such as lent, advent, etc.

It has been said that the colors of the clergy tartan were designed for the same reason you state, that is, less worldly and extravagant, more somber and serious.

[macwilkin]

As I recall some Protestant ministers---I believe some Methodists-- change their vestments with the seasons, such as lent, advent, etc.

It has been said that the colors of the clergy tartan were designed for the same reason you state, that is, less worldly and extravagant, more somber and serious.

Those would be liturgical colors of the church year...sarum blue for Advent, purple for Lent, Green for Ordinary time, etc.

Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians & other Reformed denominations and of course Roman Catholic clergy use vestments that coordinate with the seasons of the church year.

T.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Those would be liturgical colors of the church year...sarum blue for Advent, purple for Lent, Green for Ordinary time, etc.

Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians & other Reformed denominations and of course Roman Catholic clergy use vestments that coordinate with the seasons of the church year.

T.

Blue for Advent is a modern innovation that may have started with Protestant groups, I don't know. But purple is the traditional color for Advent and Lent, as both are penitential seasons (and is also traditional for funerals). White for the Christmas and Easter Seasons, as well as Feast of Our Lord, The Blessed Virgin Mary, the Angels, Saints who were not matryrs, and All Saints. Red for Pentecost, Palm Sunday, Good Friday, feasts of the Apostels and Martyr's feasts. Rose for Laetare and Gaudete Sundays. Green for Ordinary Time. And black is also a possible liturgical color for All Souls and Funerals (though white is a more common choice for those occasions these days).

Regardless, for Catholics, Orthodox, and some of the more liturgically minded Protestant groups, your vestments for the liturgy are prescribed, so this discussion is pretty much a moot point. I doubt the Universal Life Church has a dress code, so wear what you think the most appropriate.

[macwilkin]

Blue for Advent is a modern innovation that may have started with Protestant groups, I don't know. But purple is the traditional color for Advent and Lent, as both are penitential seasons. White for the Christmas and Easter Seasons, as well as Holy Days. Red for Pentecost and Martyr's feasts. Rose for Laetare and Gaudete Sundays. Green for Ordinary Time. And black is also a possible liturgical color for All Souls and Funerals (though white is a more common choice for those occasions these days).

Regardless, for Catholics, Orthodox, and some of the more liturgically minded Protestant groups, your vestments for the liturgy are prescribed, so this discussion is pretty much a moot point. I doubt the Universal Life Church has a dress code, so wear what you think the most appropriate.

I'll try not to stray too OT, but "Advent Blue" is mainly found in Episcopal/Anglican Churches...the full name is "Sarum Blue", in reference to Sarum/Salisbury. According to our old rector, it's actually has roots in the Middle Ages, but I don't have any specifics in terms of origin/background.

Back to the clergy tartan now...

T.

[Ozman1944]

Yep! That's me, 'Somber & Serious'......int:

[Prester John]

Regarding the original question - performing any liturgical act requires the standard liturgical garments:

for an Orthodox priest (which I am) cassock, Rhiasa (with the big sleeves) in black, with pectoral cross,

and the appropriate vestment for the service, and, its not optional.