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28th March 08, 08:59 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by ccga3359
Do I sense that people are taking glee at the misfortune of others most deserving?
In German we have a word for that. It's called Schadenfreude. It's one of my favorite words ever. I think it's just awesome that there is a word that means "The malicious enjoyment of other's misfortune".
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28th March 08, 10:41 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Ayin McFye
In German we have a word for that. It's called Schadenfreude. It's one of my favorite words ever. I think it's just awesome that there is a word that means "The malicious enjoyment of other's misfortune".
Except that they are deserving of this, as is any other company that knowingly violates a copyright or license (in a different country or not). I am glad someone is taking a stand and protecting their property rights. Why should some follow the rules while others take an easy route and show total disregard to those that designed the tartan, own the rights, or pay royalties. The good guys shouldn't fund the bad ones.
The same thing happened with the Irish National a few years ago. A few ebayers copied the design and sold it as Bright Irish, or National Irish, etc,etc. It was the same tartan only with the name tweaked. It fooled no one and I believe the company that owns the name and tartan eventually went after these firms. Thank goodness for people like Jerry at Stillwater kilts for getting the rights to produce and sell the Irish National tartan. He has shown that you can still offer a sought after tartan at an affordable rate and in alternative materials with respect and without having to rip someone else off to make a few bucks.
Last edited by Colin; 28th March 08 at 10:48 AM.
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27th March 08, 03:40 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by McClef
I am sure that sellers of the legitimate product will be rubbing their hands with glee 
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the information was passed along to the proper parties by someone in the kilt biz.
"To the make of a piper go seven years of his own learning, and seven generations before. At the end of his seven years one born to it will stand at the start of knowledge, and leaning a fond ear to the drone he may have parley with old folks of old affairs." - Neil Munro
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27th March 08, 04:19 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by beloitpiper
Locharron claims to be the only mill licensed to produce Isle of Skye, but I thought Marton Mills produced it too...
I wonder if other companies could get in trouble for using counterfeit tartan?
MM DOES produce it (in 11, 13 AND 16 oz and has done it in PV as well) and they DO pay royalties on it. The material is 2 GBP / M higher on the IOS tartan than any other MM tartan. I think the article was incorrect.
That being said... I don't think there's any other mills aside from MM and Lochcarron who have permission.
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27th March 08, 04:31 PM
#5
To my knowledge it's just Marton Mills and Lochcarron. I'm having my IoS kilt being created right now from 13oz MM woven IoS tartan. I've actually had to wait because the IoS was so popular that they needed to wait on more fabric from MM to be able to create it.
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27th March 08, 06:01 PM
#6
So how do you know if a tartan is patented? It seems that after 17 years, at least in the US, patents run out. Is this true for the rest of the kilted?
Wallace Catanach, Kiltmaker
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27th March 08, 06:06 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by ChattanCat
So how do you know if a tartan is patented? It seems that after 17 years, at least in the US, patents run out. Is this true for the rest of the kilted?
The Isle of Skye was first woven and patented in 1992 making the patent 15 years old, I suppose if it is the same we will find out in a couple of years.
All I can say about the article is it looks good on them
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27th March 08, 06:23 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by ChattanCat
So how do you know if a tartan is patented? It seems that after 17 years, at least in the US, patents run out. Is this true for the rest of the kilted?
Here in the UK you can renew for up to 20 years - http://www.ipo.gov.uk/patent/p-manag...enew-renew.htm
But it gets more expensive to do so.
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Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
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27th March 08, 06:47 PM
#9
If the magistrates favor the plaintiff in the United Kingdom, the Gold Brothers could also face sanctions, and fines if ANY of the unlawfully produced merchandise has moved in international commerce. One of those cases could be the movement of the goods from the country of manufacture to Scotland. The International Trade Court of the United Nations could have a field day. The only area that has not been successful all the time is "intellectual property" as it has nothing that is physical that can be brought before the court. The "tartan" fabric and foreign manufacture of the material will be an easy piece of evidence against them.
There are many "Gold Bros." businesses all over the world. Maybe if one or two of them get hit hard enough, the quality will go up.
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27th March 08, 08:00 PM
#10
According to the tartan finder at kiltstore.net the IOS modern tartan is available in 16oz and 10oz from Lochcarron, 13oz, 10.5oz and 8oz from Marton Mills, or can be custom woven to order in 16-11oz weights in wool or 3oz silk from Glen Affric weavers.
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