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2nd June 08, 01:06 AM
#21
Ask away Darin.Sensible and searching questions should be encouraged and I very much hope that you make it to Scotland before long.It is interesting that the 3 Scots(plus Pleater who may be a Scot?) that have answered your question,in their own way,all more or less agree!
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9th June 08, 03:19 PM
#22
I think I have to have some Northern blood - the sound of bagpipes makes my blood fizz and I feel I need to do something that involves jumping up and down and shouting a lot, and maybe hitting things too.
I am also a natural engineer - the sort who wanders over to a group of people scratching their heads over something not working, glances at it and says - 'Should this bit be hanging off?' then gives it a poke and it starts up. It doesn't endear me to the professionals.
If that doesn't make me Scottish I don't know what would.
I presume to dictate to no man what he shall eat or drink or wherewithal he shall be clothed."
-- The Hon. Stuart Ruaidri Erskine, The Kilt & How to Wear It, 1901.
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10th June 08, 05:05 AM
#23
Things seem to be changing now but when I was at school we were taught British history, ie. English history.
Rab
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10th June 08, 05:54 AM
#24
I've tried to stay away from this topic because I was sure it was going to get closed down at some point. It seems to have stayed fairly calm so I'm going to weigh in.
I was taught about The history of Scotland in School in Scotland. I KNOW that not everyone is. I was lucky. I went to school just as they were starting to bring Scottish history into the curriculum.
I was taught good, solid facts about Wallace, The Bruce and all of the Jacobite risings.
And it was fair handed. They were very careful to point out the truth of what happened and the facts of warfare in that time.
My dad had made a point of teaching me these things himself, thinking I wouldn't get taught them in school.
It was an eye opener for me to see the pupils who would argue the teachers blue in the face because their parents taught them 'It was all the ENGLISH.'
I am incredibly thankful that some schools in Scotland are beginning to address this nonsense once and for all.
It scared me the day I found out that my American wife knew more about Scottish history than any of her Scottish friends in her Scottish university.
So, to answer your question:
Yes, it is being taught in schools NOW but not all schools just yet. And Yes, it is taught fairly and factually.
Here's to more schools doing it.
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10th June 08, 07:23 AM
#25
 Originally Posted by Jack Daw
My great grandfather's great grandfather fought at Culloden and, I suppose because of his youth, he was transported to America rather than executed. I don't know the details.
Although I don't know the exact details, the family story is that my 6-times grandfather was apparently "invited" to leave Scotland after Culloden as well. Due to a resultant oath upon him, he and my 5-times grandfather found themselves at odds over the American Revolution. Again, according to family legend, there was an emotional split between the father and son that never healed.
Dean
Fac Et Spera!
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10th June 08, 09:02 AM
#26
 Originally Posted by Jack Daw
My great grandfather's great grandfather fought at Culloden and, I suppose because of his youth, he was transported to America rather than executed. I don't know the details.
 Originally Posted by McMathTX
Although I don't know the exact details, the family story is that my 6-times grandfather was apparently "invited" to leave Scotland after Culloden as well.
What were their names? I have the book No Quarter Given where the vast majorty of those who faught are listed. It's the muster roll of Prince Charles Edward Stuart's Army. I might be able to tell you who the were under, and when they were captured.
Frank
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10th June 08, 11:07 AM
#27
 Originally Posted by Arlen
I was taught about The history of Scotland in School in Scotland.any of her Scottish friends in her Scottish university.
That is good news, Arlen. I know the current Scottish government plan to encourage similar education but you were obviously at a school a bit ahead of its time.
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11th June 08, 04:38 AM
#28
 Originally Posted by Highland Logan
What were their names? I have the book No Quarter Given where the vast majorty of those who faught are listed. It's the muster roll of Prince Charles Edward Stuart's Army. I might be able to tell you who the were under, and when they were captured.
Frank
Holy cow! I never dreamed that I'd find information like that because the Jacobite army was in such disarray at the end. As I said earlier, the father and son were not on good terms so I have no record of the father's first name. It may have been Joseph since that is a common family name. McMath/MacMath was his surname. Anything you could offer would be greatly appreciated!
Dean
Fac Et Spera!
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11th June 08, 07:12 AM
#29
 Originally Posted by McMathTX
Due to a resultant oath upon him, he and my 5-times grandfather found themselves at odds over the American Revolution. Again, according to family legend, there was an emotional split between the father and son that never healed.
Dean
I think there might have been a lot of that going on then. There is a small town near my house in NC called Lillington. Near there, 11 Scots were hanged because they refused to join the Patriots. This was due to an oath they took to never again bear arms against England. By staying true to their word, they were seen as traitors.
I spent a year and a half in a British school in the early '90s. This was my freshman and sophomore years of high school. The history we learned was all industrial revolution. This may have been due to the location of the school, being located in the Midlands - between Oxford and Birmingham. I was kind of upset really - in a country with such a long history, I was looking forward to learning stuff that pre-dated the colonial period.
I'm a well rounded guy - English motorcycles, Irish brew, and Scottish clothes and music.
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11th June 08, 08:55 AM
#30
 Originally Posted by McMathTX
Holy cow! I never dreamed that I'd find information like that because the Jacobite army was in such disarray at the end. As I said earlier, the father and son were not on good terms so I have no record of the father's first name. It may have been Joseph since that is a common family name. McMath/MacMath was his surname. Anything you could offer would be greatly appreciated!
Dean
I have an Alexander MacMath of Aberdeen, who was taken prisoner, and fate unknown.. well till now. He was with Grante's Artillery. Here is some info on the book.
Frank
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