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1st January 09, 04:18 PM
#1
 Originally Posted by xena
They appear to be three different orders of dress from two different regiments. And, they are wearing their sporrans roughly where I do.
Same Regiment, all Black Watch, Pipers wear a different tartan.
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1st January 09, 04:35 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by Nervous Jock
Same Regiment, all Black Watch, Pipers wear a different tartan.
My mistake. Didn't know that about BW pipers, although I should've - I was 2 RCR for a while, and they were rebadged from BW to RCR sometime in the '60's IIRC. They carry on a lot of the same traditions, even though they're not officially RHR anymore. Amazing P&D's there in Gagetown!
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1st January 09, 04:38 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by xena
My mistake. Didn't know that about BW pipers, although I should've - I was 2 RCR for a while, and they were rebadged from BW to RCR sometime in the '60's IIRC. They carry on a lot of the same traditions, even though they're not officially RHR anymore. Amazing P&D's there in Gagetown!
No probs, as I've said elsewhere far be it for 2 soldiers to turn up dressed the same!!
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1st January 09, 04:21 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by xena
It could also have something to do with the real ones worn by the military being worth a couple thousand dollars apiece. I know you can get cheap ones, but anything with the correct insignia and made to military standards is going to be a bit pricier. When they're that expensive, the Quartermaster wouldn't want young jocks going at them with scissors, now would you?
These horse hair sporrans are not the ones given to 'young jocks', pipers excepted, only Commissioned or Warrant Officers would wear them in ceremonial rig only
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1st January 09, 04:42 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by Nervous Jock
These horse hair sporrans are not the ones given to 'young jocks', pipers excepted, only Commissioned or Warrant Officers would wear them in ceremonial rig only
Well, that's why I noted that different regiments have different regulations. I wore one as a young jock. Well, I wasn't that young, but as a Master Corporal, I was still part of the Junior Ranks Mess. All ranks wore horsehair when marching with arms in both no. 1's and 2's.
Sorry for the confusion - didn't mean to disparage anyone's Regiment, especially the RHR, whom I hold in the highest esteem. In fact, I think they're almost as good as soldiers as Seaforth. 
But yes, I still think they're wearing their sporrans at the proper height, even if a lot of civvies think it's in vogue to wear them to high to serve their purpose.
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1st January 09, 04:48 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by xena
Well, that's why I noted that different regiments have different regulations. I wore one as a young jock. Well, I wasn't that young, but as a Master Corporal, I was still part of the Junior Ranks Mess. All ranks wore horsehair when marching with arms in both no. 1's and 2's.
Sorry for the confusion - didn't mean to disparage anyone's Regiment, especially the RHR, whom I hold in the highest esteem. In fact, I think they're almost as good as soldiers as Seaforth.
But yes, I still think they're wearing their sporrans at the proper height, even if a lot of civvies think it's in vogue to wear them to high to serve their purpose. 
No Probs, i appreciate that. The sporrans that used to be worn by Junior Ranks were a lot shorter and different pattern although still with the 5 bells.
Likewise i think this photo is about 50 years old while the uniform may stay the same the way its worn can change!!
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1st January 09, 04:52 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by Nervous Jock
Likewise i think this photo is about 50 years old while the uniform may stay the same the way its worn can change!!
Aye, it's a great photo.
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1st January 09, 04:49 PM
#8
Ah, their's my Alzheimer's kicking in again. One wouldn't bear arms with no. 2 uniforms. That's Mess Kit. I meant to say that all ranks wore Horsehair sporrans with no. 1 and no. 3 uniforms.
Ah, well, at least with a memory like this, I can wrap my own Christmas presents and still be surprised.
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1st January 09, 04:55 PM
#9
 Originally Posted by xena
Ah, their's my Alzheimer's kicking in again. One wouldn't bear arms with no. 2 uniforms. That's Mess Kit. I meant to say that all ranks wore Horsehair sporrans with no. 1 and no. 3 uniforms.
Ah, well, at least with a memory like this, I can wrap my own Christmas presents and still be surprised.
Except for us 1 & 2 are parade dress, 10 is Mess Dress
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2nd January 09, 12:07 AM
#10
I often go without sporrans and find no problem with the kilt apron and underapron falling into place or being placed with a push of the hand. When I do wear a sporran it sits atop my legs when I sit and is of no assistance in pushing down the aprons. Actually gets in the way of pushing them down if need be.
What I'm really liking is the brown battlejacket on the left. Different than the cut away military kilt jacket that What Price Glory sells. Like that brown battlejacket look with a kilt.
Ron
Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
"I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."
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