Feathers and plants

[Twa_Corbies]

Ok I know the rule about feathers in the bonnets. Bad Juju to say the least if your not a chief. I've seen a different number of feathers in bonnets. do the number of feathers signify something?
I know some clans have a clan plant that you can tuck a sprig in behind your cap badge. My clan does not have a clan plant.
What is acceptable to wear on my balmoral?

Many clans/families/names will have affiliations with other clans (where they are sometimes considerd a "sept" - though this is more of an Irish term and not exactly appropriate for families that are considered members of larger clans). If your clan has ties to another clan, say the MacDonalds or whoever, you would be perfectly fine wearing the plant-badge of their clan if you wanted to.

[eiry]

sorry delete*

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

What is this "My Clan" rubbish. Please by all means wear the kilt but can we stop this pretending that you are an 17th century scottish highlander.

wear it plain, it looks better

What you have chosen to characterize as "rubbish", many on this forum consider to be family heritage. Perhaps you would care to apologize to those you have just insulted?

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Many clans/families/names will have affiliations with other clans (where they are sometimes considerd a "sept" - though this is more of an Irish term and not exactly appropriate for families that are considered members of larger clans).

Clan means "children" and "sept" means family. Generally speaking the word "clan" is sometimes used to refer to those who bear the same surname as their chief, while the word "sept" indicates those who bear a different surname, but are still considered part of the overall clan. All are considered to be equally members of their clan whatever their surname.

The term "sept" is completely correct in Scottish usage, and anyone who doubts this is referred to The Clans Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands by Frank Adams, as revised by Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, Lord Lyon, which covers this distinction in great detail.

[eiry]

Clan means "children" and "sept" means family. The term "sept" is completely correct in Scottish usage, any anyone who doubts this is referred to The Clans Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands by Frank Adams, as revised by Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, Lord Lyon which covers tis distinction in great detail.

Generally speaking the word "clan" is used to refer to those who bear the same surname as their chief, while he word "sept" indicates those who bear a different surname, but are considered part of the overall clan. All are considered to be equally members of their clan whatever their surname.

Its not your name that makes you part of a clan, it is living, providing and contributing to your peers in the same community under the protection of a clan chief.

[Sketraw]

Clan means "children" and "sept" means family. The term "sept" is completely correct in Scottish usage, any anyone who doubts this is referred to The Clans Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands by Frank Adams, as revised by Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, Lord Lyon which covers this distinction in great detail.

Generally speaking the word "clan" is used to refer to those who bear the same surname as their chief, while he word "sept" indicates those who bear a different surname, but are considered part of the overall clan. All are considered to be equally members of their clan whatever their surname.

Hi Scott, Thats not how I read it,

"Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, GCVO WS (1893-1971) Lord Lyon King of Arms, 1945-1969, after being Carrick Pursuivant and Albany Herald in the 1930’s makes mention in the book Clan Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands 1952 co-authored by Frank Adam that; “septs must be regarded as a rather wonderful effort of imagination” and “The very word ‘sept’ is delusive and no serious attention can now be attached to Skene’s theories about ‘septs”. He also states that some Clan historians could be being found guilty of “sept-snatching”.

Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw, Baronet, QC, Rothesay Herald of Arms and Chief of Clan Agnew, also makes mention of Clan ‘septs’ in his article ‘Clans, Families & Septs’;

However it is to long winded to post here but its along the same lines

JOhn

[Jock Scot]

Hi Scott, Thats not how I read it,

"Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, GCVO WS (1893-1971) Lord Lyon King of Arms, 1945-1969, after being Carrick Pursuivant and Albany Herald in the 1930’s makes mention in the book Clan Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands 1952 co-authored by Frank Adam that; “septs must be regarded as a rather wonderful effort of imagination” and “The very word ‘sept’ is delusive and no serious attention can now be attached to Skene’s theories about ‘septs”. He also states that some Clan historians could be being found guilty of “sept-snatching”.

Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw, Baronet, QC, Rothesay Herald of Arms and Chief of Clan Agnew, also makes mention of Clan ‘septs’ in his article ‘Clans, Families & Septs’;

However it is to long winded to post here but its along the same lines

JOhn

Absolutely! The tourist trade and their biscuit tin version of Scots history over the last 100 years or so, is largely responsible for the wishful thinking and misconceptions of so many, including the Scots themselves, that the truth of our history is a scarce commodity.

[macwilkin]

post deleted; off-topic.

T.

[gilmore]

Absolutely! The tourist trade and their biscuit tin version of Scots history over the last 100 years or so, is largely responsible for the wishful thinking and misconceptions of so many, including the Scots themselves, that the truth of our history is a scarce commodity.

Not to mention Hollywood and the movies.

In the US so many people, especially younger guys looking for assertive, masculine images to emulate, had decided that "Scots" = Mel Gibson in Braveheart,[I] or the fictitious Duncan MacLeod in The Highlalnder movies and TV series. There is an assumption that wearing a kilt is rebellious, agressive, possibly meanspirited, and quick to wrath. Historical evidence that does not support those assumptions tends to be ignored.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Hi Scott, Thats not how I read it,

"Sir Thomas Innes of Learney, GCVO WS (1893-1971) Lord Lyon King of Arms, 1945-1969, after being Carrick Pursuivant and Albany Herald in the 1930’s makes mention in the book Clan Septs and Regiments of the Scottish Highlands 1952 co-authored by Frank Adam that; “septs must be regarded as a rather wonderful effort of imagination” and “The very word ‘sept’ is delusive and no serious attention can now be attached to Skene’s theories about ‘septs”. He also states that some Clan historians could be being found guilty of “sept-snatching”.

Sir Crispin Agnew of Lochnaw, Baronet, QC, Rothesay Herald of Arms and Chief of Clan Agnew, also makes mention of Clan ‘septs’ in his article ‘Clans, Families & Septs’;

However it is to long winded to post here but its along the same lines

JOhn

John, you are, of course, absolutely correct (as was Sir Tam, et al), and thank you for bringing my original post to my attention.

It seems that in my reply to "Tombstone Corbies" I jumbled a couple of sentences which I have now placed back in their proper order!