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20th March 09, 03:49 PM
#1
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Of course it should be noted that a number of scholars, including the late Jamie Scarlett, believed that the clan tartan orginated from the tartans of the Highland regiments...
Regards,
Todd
Even the red Morrison? I would doubt that conclusion.
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20th March 09, 05:30 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by gilmore
Even the red Morrison? I would doubt that conclusion.
Pardon me...I should have typed "the concept of clan tartans"...perhaps you could do some research on the red Morrison and tell us about its origins? 
T.
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20th March 09, 04:05 PM
#3
Well, I've read that here and there too, and I wouldn't know enough to really know.
My point was, perhaps, it could be tolorated when someone calls the Marines a clan and the Leather Neck tartan a clan tartan or "my clan tartan." Same for the XMTS tartan etc; with the understanding, of course, that it is not the same meaning of the term "clan" as Scotus is using.
Also, that the group tartan folk respect that Scotus means by clan tartan, the tartan that the cheif of his clan has declared to be the clan tartan. Most of all, that we avoid statements, as I have seen from time to time, insulting or degrading to a tartan of meaning.
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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20th March 09, 05:34 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by Ted Crocker
Well, I've read that here and there too, and I wouldn't know enough to really know.
My point was, perhaps, it could be tolorated when someone calls the Marines a clan and the Leather Neck tartan a clan tartan or "my clan tartan." Same for the XMTS tartan etc; with the understanding, of course, that it is not the same meaning of the term "clan" as Scotus is using.
Also, that the group tartan folk respect that Scotus means by clan tartan, the tartan that the cheif of his clan has declared to be the clan tartan. Most of all, that we avoid statements, as I have seen from time to time, insulting or degrading to a tartan of meaning.
Of course, Ted...remember that Clan Chiefs frequently raised regiments for service, such as the Duke of Atholl, who still maintains Europe's only "private army", the Atholl Highlanders.
T.
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20th March 09, 05:57 PM
#5
* Post deleted, off topic. *
Last edited by Bugbear; 21st March 09 at 11:29 AM.
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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21st March 09, 10:55 AM
#6
I didn't want to post this earlier since I have no comment regarding what tartan means to me, but now I see the thread has drifted a little so I will post my thoughts.
I post what I believe to be the truth regarding tartan and it's historical roots,or lack thereof, not b/c I want to bring anyone down, but b/c I want to be all inclusive and let other's know it's OK if you wear a something that doesn't conform to the 'generally accepted belief'
The piping community is full of know it all, narrow minded, oppressive conformers who,in my mind, put a lot of pressure on others. I was so concerned about what tartan I would wear, or frankly whether I should even wear a kilt at all. I wasn't sure if my Scottish ancestors were Highlanders or wore kilts, or were in clans, etc. I don't like pretending to be something that I am not. That's just me.
When I came across Matthew Newsome's articles, and his blog, a tremendous burden was lifted from me. His infectious enthusiasm for the kilt-any kilt- and his education on what is historically accurate, has enabled me to decide I can do pretty much what I please, and can't be wrong. Solid kilts, tweed kilts, 4 yd kilts, 5 yd kilts. I am armed for the inevitable debate about what is 'traditional' or what's 'right'.
Do I completely ignore clan attachments to tartan-no. Does it drive how I think and feel, about what I will wear or what others should wear, no.
To each their own, to thine own self be true.
Slainte
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21st March 09, 11:19 AM
#7
I belong to three clan societies; MacCallum Malcolm, Donnachaidh and Gordon. With each one I have an ancestor with that name, my surname Malcolm, my mother’s mother a Robertson and my father’s father’ mother a Morris. By belonging to each of them it gives me a sense of who I am; a shared heritage and belonging. I wear the tartan of each and wear other tartans as well. I must confess though when I wear my XMTS tartan kilt I have a sense more of belonging than the others. My interaction (online and up close and personal) is more with this group of online brethren than my own flesh and blood.
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