New Royal Regiment Of Scotland Dress Regs

**Ancienne Alliance** · 26th June 09, 11:56 PM

Fascinating ! A keeper for sure !

Thank you for the link.

Best,

Robert

**KFCarter** · 27th June 09, 04:15 AM

Fantastic link... saving this one! thanks.

**Na Heilthirich** · 27th June 09, 05:50 AM

These dress regs should carry a Government health warning: "Not to be read by former RSMs of the Scottish Regiments with dicky tickers!"

I can certainly imagine some of my former RSMs collapsing in fits of apoplexy if they read it.

Firstly the document appears to have been written by someone so afraid of the Grocer's Apostrophe that he has gone too far the other way. Right from the first paragraph, below a portrait of HM we have a reference to the Queens uniform. I know it's OK to be gay now in the British Armed Forces, but do we really want a uniform specifically for queens?

The kilts look like they have been bought from Gold Brothers at £25 a piece, vide the pleating of the officer's kilt on p. 7. The soldier on p. 11's legs are dressed so highly (and his kilt so long) that the legs are barely visible. I can imagine my old RSM shouting "Are ye feeling the cauld, laddie? Have ye borrowed yer mammy's tights?" Likewise, his jacket on p. 21 is so poorly tailored with so much excess material at the chest, it looks like it's tailored for a woman.

On p. 23 the officer's glengarry looks like it's been put on with a steamhammer and his trews are so long they look like those leggings that were fashionable for women in the eighties. Perhaps his Sam Browne was last polished in the eighties as well. The officer's steamhammer has really revved up a gear by the time he uses it to put on his glengarry for p. 32.

**Jock Scot** · 27th June 09, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Na Heilthirich

These dress regs should carry a Government health warning: "Not to be read by former RSMs of the Scottish Regiments with dicky tickers!"

I can certainly imagine some of my former RSMs collapsing in fits of apoplexy if they read it.

Firstly the document appears to have been written by someone so afraid of the Grocer's Apostrophe that he has gone too far the other way. Right from the first paragraph, below a portrait of HM we have a reference to the Queens uniform. I know it's OK to be gay now in the British Armed Forces, but do we really want a uniform specifically for queens?

The kilts look like they have been bought from Gold Brothers at £25 a piece, vide the pleating of the officer's kilt on p. 7. The soldier on p. 11's legs are dressed so highly (and his kilt so long) that the legs are barely visible. I can imagine my old RSM shouting "Are ye feeling the cauld, laddie? Have ye borrowed yer mammy's tights?" Likewise, his jacket on p. 21 is so poorly tailored with so much excess material at the chest, it looks like it's tailored for a woman.

On p. 23 the officer's glengarry looks like it's been put on with a steamhammer and his trews are so long they look like those leggings that were fashionable for women in the eighties. Perhaps his Sam Browne was last polished in the eighties as well. The officer's steamhammer has really revved up a gear by the time he uses it to put on his glengarry for p. 32.

As soldier of the early 1960's, I can't help but agree with you on dress standards-------but the lads of this century can still fight as well as they ever could. We should be very proud of them. I am, as I am quite sure that you are.

**Na Heilthirich** · 27th June 09, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

As soldier of the early 1960's, I can't help but agree with you on dress standards-------but the lads of this century can still fight as well as they ever could. We should be very proud of them. I am, as I am quite sure that you are.

Indeed so.

**dfmacliam** · 27th June 09, 07:17 AM

I agree the jackets on a few examples were ill fitting, especially sleeve length. I will also say, I am not a fan of rolled sleeves on a shirt, looks tacky, in my opinion. Combat dress is an exception. The history was good, and the placement of articles, was very informative. Sporran placement was helpful for me. Gig lines were covered and I try to pay attention to that even wearing my civies after all these years.
I also noticed the reference that the sgian dubh was not a weapon, but an ornemental item.
As a military man, I found this very interesting, comparing Scottish dress compared to US Marine dress.
We were issured the basic uniform, and dress blues as well as dress mess were individual purchased items, unless your duty required them. I was Marine Barracks for a time and we were issued dress blue deltas.. Sans the jacket. Wooly poolys were optional too, but most I knew had them.

**Chas** · 27th June 09, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by MacAngus

Does anyone know if all of that is issued to every soldier?
Or do they have to buy some of it themselves
I.E. I had to buy my dress blues from cash sales upon graduating from Parris Island.

Originally Posted by beloitpiper

They buy some themselves, I believe.

Other ranks up to Warrant Officer are issued the uniform they need to do the job in hand. That is to say, if they will not be doing any ceremonial duties, then they are not issued with any ceremonial kit. After the tour of duty, un-required kit is returned to central stores waiting for re-issue to same or different person.

Commissioned Officers are issued kit from central stores in the same way but pay for theirs. They have the option of having some dress uniform made at private tailors.

Warrant officers fall into a totally different category. They hold the Queen's warrant rather than a commission, which is only a time limited contract between the officer and the Sovereign. There are many advantages to being a Warrant Officer. One of which is that they are exempt from close arrest. Regardless of the alleged crime; once they identify themselves as a Warrant Officer, they are placed under house arrest at the nearest Sargent's Mess, with the use of all the Mess facilities. As to uniform, I believe that all parts of kit that refer directly to the Warrant Officer (badges of rank and insignia) are paid for by the WO themselves - all other parts of uniform are issued as per the other ranks. But even this has a slight twist in as much as the WO does not own the badges of rank, but rents them from the Sovereign (rather than the Army, Navy or Air Force)

Regards

Chas

**Nervous Jock** · 27th June 09, 12:11 PM

some uniform prices

http://www.gbeverleytailors.co.uk/officers.asp

http://www.goldings.co.uk/military_a...e=male_officer

Remember, mess kit, no shoulder boards, rank slides, sporran, tassels, brogues, hose, flashes, bunnet, shirt, tie, dhu, cane

**longhuntr74** · 18th January 10, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nervous Jock

some uniform prices

http://www.gbeverleytailors.co.uk/officers.asp

http://www.goldings.co.uk/military_a...e=male_officer

Remember, mess kit, no shoulder boards, rank slides, sporran, tassels, brogues, hose, flashes, bunnet, shirt, tie, dhu, cane

I just went to these links and looked at their prices....I have to say I'm in sticker shock. 795 pounds sterling for a standard uniform jacket???? That's got to be about $1000USD, right? I realize we're talking about bespoke tailoring here, but I am in the US Army and have uniforms that are professional quality and then altered/tailored to my body...the whole uniform with insignia, sewing, etc costs $500 or less. On these sites, just the jacket is double that. I'm literally in awe!

**OC Richard** · 19th January 10, 05:14 AM

About the bewildering variety of dress in Highland regiments, I have in front of me a photo of seven members of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, posed together in 1999, and no two are dressed alike. The caption says "On the ramparts of Stirling Castle, Argylls display the variety of barrack and works dress to be seen around the RHQ on any day."

Here's how they're dressed

1) Glen, sky blue shirt, black belt with Argyll dress buckle, kilt, plain day sporran on metal chain, lovat hose.

2) Glen, camouflage shirt and pants

3) Glen, light olive shirt, camouflage pants

4) Glen, light khaki shirt, white belt with Argyll dress buckle, kilt, plain day sporran on dark leather belt, lovat hose.

5) TOS, light olive shirt, dark olive pants

6) as for man # 2 but has the collar of his light olive shirt sticking out over the collar of his camouflage shirt

7) Glen, light khaki shirt, white belt with Argyll dress buckle, tartan trousers (trews)

Another photo shows

8) Glen, light khaki shirt, white belt with Argyll dress buckle, kilt, Full Dress sporran, red & white hose, spats.

That doesn't even count the forms of No2 Dress with jacket (kilt form having plain sporran and lovat hose or full dress sporran and diced hose and spats) and No1 Dress, Mess Dress, jumpers/sweaters, etc.

By the way all the shirts in these photos have long sleeves and have been rolled up.

And, odd to American military, all of the shirts (sky blue, light khaki, light olive) are absolutely plain, having no badges or patches or pins of any sort on them. Sergeant rank stripes are worn on an armband (the British love these, cf the Captain's armband worn in football/soccer). Warrant Officers rank badges are worn on a leather wristband. (I can't tell if the camouflage shirts have patches on them.)