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26th December 09, 05:17 AM
#1
I wear Campbel of Argyle (Modern) tartan but unfortunatley the only one really available is not a recognised tartan. One of the previous clan chiefs had a yellow pattern added but he was the only one that wore it at that time to distinguish himslef from the rest of the clan. It has never been registered but has been adpoted by tartan makers and now very common.
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26th December 09, 06:03 AM
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 Originally Posted by PEEDYC
I wear Campbel of Argyle (Modern) tartan but unfortunatley the only one really available is not a recognised tartan. One of the previous clan chiefs had a yellow pattern added but he was the only one that wore it at that time to distinguish himslef from the rest of the clan. It has never been registered but has been adpoted by tartan makers and now very common.
The original question was whether there are any clan cheifs who have definitively stated that their tartan is to be restricted to those with blood ties to the clan only. The case of the Campbell of Argyle tartan is different. In this case the clan cheif has definitely stated that the so-called "Campbell of Argyle" tartan is not a clan tartan. It says nothing about whether the actual recognized Campbell tartans should be restricted in their use.
But I did want to correct something you said in your post. The Campbell of Argyle tartan is not the only Campbell tartan readily available. The standard clan tartan (Campbell or Black Watch) is readly available from all of the tartan mills, usually in several color options -- ancient, modern, weathered, muted, etc. The other recognized Campbell tartans (Louden, Breadalbane, Cawdor) are also available from the major tartan mills, though individual retailers may not be as likely to stock them. Nevertheless, they should be available for purchase in a kilt without having to custom order the cloth.
So if you are a Campbell and wish to wear a tartan recognized by your cheif, you should be able to do so easily. The popular Campbell of Argyle tartan is by no means the only one available.
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3rd January 10, 06:17 AM
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 Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome
So if you are a Campbell and wish to wear a tartan recognized by your cheif, you should be able to do so easily. The popular Campbell of Argyle tartan is by no means the only one available.
I did not mean to suggest that the Campbell of Argyle that I wear is the only one available as you correctly pointed out. The one readily available has yellow as part of the pattern. Although it appears in the tartan registry it is not recognised by the Campbell (Argyle) clan. My ancestory is via Argyle Campbells and as there is a plaid available with the Argyle name I chose it despite it not being a recognised CLAN tartan. It was worn with pride at Hogmanay. I also wear the Campbell Family tartan. There are 37 Campbell tartans registered. It is a wonder anyone can chose other than by colour and pattern preference.
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4th January 10, 04:58 AM
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 Originally Posted by PEEDYC
I did not mean to suggest that the Campbell of Argyle that I wear is the only one available as you correctly pointed out. The one readily available has yellow as part of the pattern. Although it appears in the tartan registry it is not recognised by the Campbell (Argyle) clan. My ancestory is via Argyle Campbells and as there is a plaid available with the Argyle name I chose it despite it not being a recognised CLAN tartan. It was worn with pride at Hogmanay. I also wear the Campbell Family tartan. There are 37 Campbell tartans registered. It is a wonder anyone can chose other than by colour and pattern preference.
A lot of people wear that tartan for the same reason, because of the name. They are a Campbell, their cheif is the Duke of Argyle, they see a tartan called "Campbell of Argyle" and so they wear it. Sounds legitimate.
But that is the exact point that present and past Dukes of Argyle have attempted to make. The so-called "Cambell of Argyle" tartan is not recognized by the Duke of Argyle.
If one wanted to wear a tartan indicating one has ancestry from Argyle, I would recommend the Argyle district tartan (which happens to be the same tartan as Campbell of Cawdor).
If one wanted to wear a tartan indiciating one has ancestry from the Clan Campbell, I would recommend the Campbell tartan (or one of the recognized branch tartans if one is descended from one of those particular families).
But the fact is, no matter how often the Duke of Argyle reenforces this point, the mills still produce the Campbell of Argyle tartan because it continues to be a popular seller. And people continue to buy it, because the mills continue to produce and offer it.
The only way to fix the problem is to educate enough Campbells about their clan tartans so that the popularity of the Campbell of Argyle tartan is reduced to the point where the mills no long wish to produce it as a stock tartan, but this may be a long time coming.
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4th January 10, 04:08 PM
#5
A Tiny Point of Order
Argyll, as in the Duke of, and the Disctict of, is spelled with two "L"s.
Argyle, as in socks and sweaters, is spelled with an "E".
So, it's Campbell of Argyll, not Campbell of Argyle
Last edited by MacMillan of Rathdown; 5th January 10 at 07:48 AM.
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26th December 09, 06:16 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by PEEDYC
I wear Campbel of Argyle (Modern) tartan but unfortunatley the only one really available is not a recognised tartan. One of the previous clan chiefs had a yellow pattern added but he was the only one that wore it at that time to distinguish himslef from the rest of the clan. It has never been registered but has been adpoted by tartan makers and now very common.
If you are a Campbell, might I enquire why you wear this tartan? The late Duke of Argyll made his thoughts quite clear on this.
"...the only tartans which I recognize are, firstly, the one you see me and my wife wearing, which goes under various names, such as ordinary Campbell, Ancient Campbell, etc., and all members of our clan who are not specifically identified with [the Houses of Breadalbane, Cawdor [or] Loudoun are entitled to wear it.
Let me get rid, once and for all, of the thought that there is a 'Campbell of Argyll' [tartan]. While it is true that the Sixth Duke [of Argyll - b.1768 - s.1806 - d.1839] introduced a white line to his plain Campbell tartan to differentiate himself from the rest of the Campbells, (he being the chief and entitled to do so), he was the only member of the family so to do and the rest of the family thought he was rather pompous to do it.
Campbell of Breadalbane--fine [to wear].
Campbell of Cawdor--fine.
Campbell of Loudoun--fine.
Campbell of Glenlyon--I have never heard of it.
Campbell of Loch Awe-this is plain ridiculous, as we are all Campbells of Loch Awe originally. - Apart from anything else, I have never heard of a Campbell of Loch Awe tartan, nor do I wish to do so.
THERE IS NO DRESS CAMPBELL [TARTAN]--repeat! repeat! repeat!
There is NO HUNTING CAMPBELL.
There is NO CAMPRELL RED.
There is NO CAMPBELL - SIMPSON.
There are no Campbell cheques, other than commercial ones...
If I feel strongly about anything and would like it inscribed on my tombstone, there might be a few lines such as 'All Campbells with the exception of the three principal septs [the Houses of Breadalbane, Cawdor and Loudoun] should wear plain undifferentiated Campbell for evermore and not get confused by peddlers of this [other] material that comes under all sorts of guises.
Yours ever,
Your Kinsman and Chief,
Argyll"
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26th December 09, 12:11 PM
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Source of that, JSFMACLJR?
Oh how I wish there was a similar pronouncement for Stewarts. Sigh.
Ron Stewart
'S e ar roghainn a th' ann - - - It is our choices
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27th December 09, 05:12 AM
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JSFMACLJR's post is straight from the clan campbell website
there is no such thing as bad weather..only inadequite clothing!
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27th December 09, 12:34 PM
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 Originally Posted by ronstew
Source of that, JSFMACLJR?
Oh how I wish there was a similar pronouncement for Stewarts. Sigh.
Clan Campbell Tartans
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28th December 09, 11:53 AM
#10
 Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR
Campbell of Breadalbane--fine [to wear].
Campbell of Cawdor--fine.
Campbell of Loudoun--fine.
Campbell of Glenlyon--I have never heard of it.
Campbell of Loch Awe-this is plain ridiculous, as we are all Campbells of Loch Awe originally. - Apart from anything else, I have never heard of a Campbell of Loch Awe tartan, nor do I wish to do so.
THERE IS NO DRESS CAMPBELL [TARTAN]--repeat! repeat! repeat!
There is NO HUNTING CAMPBELL.
There is NO CAMPRELL RED.
There is NO CAMPBELL - SIMPSON.
There are no Campbell cheques, other than commercial ones...
If I feel strongly about anything and would like it inscribed on my tombstone, there might be a few lines such as 'All Campbells with the exception of the three principal septs [the Houses of Breadalbane, Cawdor and Loudoun] should wear plain undifferentiated Campbell for evermore and not get confused by peddlers of this [other] material that comes under all sorts of guises.
Yours ever,
Your Kinsman and Chief,
Argyll" [/I]
I don't think it is good for you to be so shy and retiring about your opinions; tell us how you REALLY feel!
 
(and btw thanks for a definitive answer)
May you find joy in the wee, ken the universe in the peculiar and capture peace in the compass of drop of dew
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