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5th November 10, 01:54 PM
#1
And have a good weekend everyone!
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5th November 10, 01:57 PM
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I think you mean CHINA for pasta, the Italians are all copy-cats.
Oh, yes, Artificer, you're absolutely correct!! I'm sorry!! Oh, and how about South America??...tomatoes came from there. Those darn Italians, copying from everyone!
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5th November 10, 02:04 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by denmcdough
Oh, yes, Artificer, you're absolutely correct!! I'm sorry!! Oh, and how about South America??...tomatoes came from there. Those darn Italians, copying from everyone!
Don't forget the Irish and the potatos... Copycats- it's all stolen from Central America.
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5th November 10, 02:17 PM
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entertaining the idea
What if there was some sort of set of qualifiers added to the word "kilt" or perhaps different terminology? Does anyone think that would satisfy Mr. Hawthorne?
In the same way as not-all whisky is Scotch, maybe a Scottish/Scotch/Scots Kilt would need to fit some version of Hawthorne's exacting standard of excellence. Anything else would be merely a kilt, with no additional designation.
Or some sort of banner sewn into the tag of kilt like we see in Canada on music CDs? The MAPL logo specifies the Canadian-ness of the origin of the music, artist, production, and lyrics by showing black with a white letter in each part of the pie if the song/CD qualifies. If some aspect doesn't qualify, it would be white with a black letter:

Or if a Hawthorne spec kilt was called by it's Gaelic name to differentiate it?
- Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
- An t'arm breac dearg
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5th November 10, 02:32 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by CMcG
Scottish/Scotch/Scots Kilt
However, not even a majority of Scots would agree with Mr. Hawthorne's definition.
Therefore I think they would have to define it as a "Hawthorne Kilt" and any thing else as "authentic".
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5th November 10, 10:43 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by denmcdough
OK, Nighthawk, let's get it right...Barb is located in New York! LOL
There are many great kilt makers the world over. Let's not say that a kilt can only come from Scotland.
I agree with many here, there's room for cheapo stuff, and quality. It's that way with everything!
Who's the lady in Albuquer... However It's Spelled, New Mexico? I could have sworn it was Barb...
"Two things are infinite- the universe, and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein.
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5th November 10, 02:08 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by artificer
I think you mean CHINA for pasta, the Italians are all copy-cats.
While they did have the oldest recorded pasta but there are records all over the world of ground grain and water mixtures.
It's no more strictly Chinese than a garment made of a single piece of cloth wrapped around the body is Roman 
Jim
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5th November 10, 02:10 PM
#8
My problem with articles such as these is that, while one may agree with the sentiments behind them, all-too-often they go much to far to make their case. The excerpt published here is a good case in point.
The statement is made that a kilt should have three straps and buckles, that the third strap is good practice, and that it allows for adjustment in size. Nonsense. The third strap serves absolutely no practical function, is just there for appearance, and I know many very traditional kiltmakers who routinely leave it off -- and I know many traditional kilt wearers who routinely request their kilts be made with only two straps.
Insisting that a true kilt, or real kilt, or authentic kilt or what have you must have three straps is a bit like insisting that it must have belt loops, or it must have a double fringe on the apron, because a single fringe just won't do, etc.
So, while I certainly can agree with the sentiment behind articles such as this, practically speaking, I have to disagree on certain points.
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5th November 10, 03:05 PM
#9
This is an interesting thread. I acctualy have a kilt from mc calls and while it is a solid kilt I wouldnt rush out to buy another one
The hielan' man he wears the kilt, even when it's snowin';
He kens na where the wind comes frae,
But he kens fine where its goin'.
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5th November 10, 03:30 PM
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When shopping for a kilt always look for the CMOS logo.
Cloth: Eight yards of 100 per cent wool worsted cloth of at least 12 ounces in weight
Manufacturer: Scottish
Origin: Scottish cloth woven in Scotland
Style: Leather straps and three buckles and an average of 32 pleats
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