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28th August 12, 06:48 PM
#371
Both the Argyll Militia (commanded by LtCol John Campbell and wearing their everyday civilian Highland dress) and elements of both the 43rd Highlanders (Black Watch) and Lord Loudon's Regiment (then the 64th Regiment of the Line, raised 1745 and disbanded 1748 after having fought in Flanders) were on the field of Culloden. Lord Loudon's Regiment was a Highland Regiment enlisted as regulars in the British Army, and were clothed and armed similarly to the more senior Black Watch, except that Loudon's Regiment's red coats had white facings and the Other Ranks, at least, wore a slightly modified version of the Black Watch's Government tartan (the officers may have worn red tartans to show off their social status - a portrait of Lord Loudon exists depicting him as an officer of his regiment, but wearing the red Murray of Tullabardine tartan). Lord Loudon's men would have been armed with the standard government musket, with swords, dirks and so forth, whereas the Argyll Militia's Campbell clansmen would have brought their own edged weapons - a government musket was displayed at the Culloden "Swords and the Sorrows" exhibit that was engraved "Argyll Militia", so all or some of the clansmen may have had these, too. Loudon's Regiment would have worn in their bonnets the standard black cockade of the British Army, whereas the Campbell militiamen would have worn the bog myrtle plant sign and possibly a cockade unique to the Campbells.
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14th September 12, 11:15 PM
#372
Had a question on neck stocks or cravats, was off white the most common? Did anyone where a dark or black one's ?
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15th September 12, 05:12 AM
#373
 Originally Posted by Erikm
Had a question on neck stocks or cravats, was off white the most common? Did anyone where a dark or black one's ?
Black or white neck cloths are both correct for the period. White cravats show up more often in Highland portraiture (showing guys in their best clothes, generally), but you can see a black one here:

I tend to where my black cravat most of the time, reserving my white one for more "dressier" occasions....
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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22nd September 12, 08:04 PM
#374
Many thanks Woodsheal
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27th September 12, 11:22 AM
#375
Were touries worn on the bonnets around the time of the 45 uprising. I know it probably was not the norm. I have seen portraits that show them but usually only one or two in a crowd or usually only on the gentry.
I have even seen a portrait of Bonnie Charlie with one.
Of course artists can get carried away though.
Also the ones I have seen have all been red and many of the bonnets they were on also had a red brow band.
Last edited by Harold Cannon; 27th September 12 at 11:38 AM.
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28th September 12, 07:05 AM
#376
 Originally Posted by Harold Cannon
Were touries worn on the bonnets around the time of the 45 uprising. I know it probably was not the norm. I have seen portraits that show them but usually only one or two in a crowd or usually only on the gentry.
I have even seen a portrait of Bonnie Charlie with one.
Of course artists can get carried away though.
Also the ones I have seen have all been red and many of the bonnets they were on also had a red brow band.
Touries are in evidence during the time of the '45, but much smaller than today's versions. In same cases, they were just little knobs formed by twisting the ends of the knitted yarns together at the center top (and thus the same color as the bonnet body - see the Thriepland portrait just above).
However, the Army's 1742 "Cloathing Book" shows a small red tourie on the 43rd Highlander's bonnet that looks to be a sewn-on ball, like a smaller version of a modern tourie:

The bonnets with the red head bands seem to be a popular motif, and the Highland regiments of the period (up to and including the French & Indian War) seem to all have had them.
So yes, you can wear a tourie, or not! Just make sure it's fairly tiny....
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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28th September 12, 07:22 AM
#377
Fantastic! I will just be sure that it is trimmed down small. How large do you think it should be? An inch wide maybe?
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28th September 12, 07:27 AM
#378
 Originally Posted by Harold Cannon
Fantastic! I will just be sure that it is trimmed down small. How large do you think it should be? An inch wide maybe?
Yep, that'll work. You can buy 'em that size at a fabric store, too. They come in little bags of four or five. I put a black one on my brownish Jacobite bonnet:
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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28th September 12, 07:27 AM
#379
Here is the cockade. That I made for it as well.
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28th September 12, 07:31 AM
#380
 Originally Posted by Harold Cannon
Here is the cockade. That I made for it as well.

Very nice! Make me one...!
Brian
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin
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