Where to wear the Glengarry??

[cherokeesix]

Thank you all who threw in their ideas. I don't usually wear hats but being out in the sun at the upcoming games just had me worried. I guess you will just have to stop by the Tent MacMillan to see how I decided. You can bet that whatever it is, there will be a smiling Scot below it with a cold Guiness in his hand. You guys are great!

Patrick

[Fearnest]

Thanks, Livingston!

GENTLEMEN, GENTLEMEN... please remember the topic of the thread is "Where to wear the Glengarry" not an history of the origins of headwear and their particular impact on one or more groups of religious observants!

It was a simple request for advice, and I think we've gone pretty far afield now.

[PiobBear]

does the wearing of a Beret follow similar rules as wearing a Glengarry?
I'm thinking a Beret with my clan crest pin in place of the flash would look quite sharp.

As far as "rules", a beret is a hat just as much as a glen; as a matter of common courtesy and respect to your host, uncovering indoors is the only "rule" I can think of (I can provide several references to support the idea that this is a cultural norm in English-speaking societies; I'd dearly love to see a citation to support the notion that "The predicates were not to be applied in intersection but as modalities", et al.).
On the other hand, I think that balmorals or tams shape and look a bit better, as they have quite a bit more cloth than berets, but then the folks I know who wear berets are in the habit of soaking them in boiling water and wearing them until dry, so they shrink up quite a bit. Also, if you're shooting for a less "military" look than the glengarry, keep in mind that the only people outside of France who wear berets are military.
Besides that, berets aren't traditionally Scottish or Irish; they're French. If you're looking for a traditional bonnet; a tam, balmoral or caubeen would probably serve you better.

[Nanook]

is a cultural norm in English-speaking societies;

Its a Christian norm--- England may have a State Church but not all English subjects are subjects of that Church--- following "Apostille" Paul of Tarsus-- excluding, I guess the camauros, zucchettos and birettas of clergy and various academic caps worn by University heads (such as the Chancellor at Oxford). Universities of tradition, of course, all started off their lives out of Theology (logic and grammar). This was not limited to Christian ("Papal") institutions but also the Babylonian (Talmudic) Academies and various Islamic Schools (such as Al-Azhar University in Cairo) that pre-date them as well as the great Yeshivas that grew out of Manz (Rabbenu Gershom) in the 10th and 11th century--- and completely destroyed in 1096 under Papal cover. Oxford got created by Henry II to drive English students away from Paris. Although set a few centuries later Eco's "Il Nome della rosa" is an interesting excurse into Medieval logical methodology and the impact of Thomas Aquinas and John Duns Scotus on "others". William of Ockham actually attended Oxford (where he studied but apparently did not complete his masters). The 1400s is an interesting marking point since its was a period of rapid growth in the number of European Universities (all founded by Papal Bulla), Spanish Inquisition and an institutionalization of radicalization. Hats were, of coures, long before instrumentalized. Harun al-Rashid ordered the yellow colour for all Jews living under Muslim rule in 904. Fourth Council of the Lateran under Pope Innocent III issued a Bulla in 1215 (same year as the Magna Carta Libertatum) requiring that Jews were a yellow pointy hat as "Stigma" (shame and sin in the sense of Paul of Tarsus).

[mudd]

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Sooo... Don't hang dice from your rear-view-mirror when wearing a glenmoral.

Got it.

[PiobBear]

Actually, it just occurred to me that there is at least one other rule; don't wear feathers in your bonnet. One connotes an armiger (a gentleman with a Royal grant of arms), two a chieftain, and three a clan chief. This is not mere social convention, but dictates from the Lord Lyon of Scotland.

[gilmore]

Actually, it just occurred to me that there is at least one other rule; don't wear feathers in your bonnet. One connotes an armiger (a gentleman with a Royal grant of arms), two a chieftain, and three a clan chief. This is not mere social convention, but dictates from the Lord Lyon of Scotland.

Take a look at the pics in the links in my post above of Tartan Army guys. Many have more in their glengarries that Lyon would allow for the sovereign. Wearing feathers is very much a social convention it seems.

[cherokeesix]

Gentlemen, Thank you again for the spirited conversation on this topic. I was merely looking for advice from the learned on this site on where I should or should not wear the glengarry. I do thank you all for your input but I think I opened a can of worms inadvertently. I admire and respect each and every one of your responses but it seems that there is no "Rule of Thumb" where I should or shouldn't wear the cover. I sincerely hope no feelings have been harmed due to this thread. I understand now that it is a matter of choice and can respect that. I am a Kilted Newbie and will try my best to glean from you all what I should and shouldn't do whilst kilted. This one seems to be very open ended and should be left to personal feelings and ideals.

Patrick (Kilted and Covered)

[Panache]

Gentlemen, Thank you again for the spirited conversation on this topic. I was merely looking for advice from the learned on this site on where I should or should not wear the glengarry. I do thank you all for your input but I think I opened a can of worms inadvertently. I admire and respect each and every one of your responses but it seems that there is no "Rule of Thumb" where I should or shouldn't wear the cover. I sincerely hope no feelings have been harmed due to this thread. I understand now that it is a matter of choice and can respect that. I am a Kilted Newbie and will try my best to glean from you all what I should and shouldn't do whilst kilted. This one seems to be very open ended and should be left to personal feelings and ideals.

Patrick (Kilted and Covered)

Patrick,

You may be a Kilted Newbie but that was well said!

Enjoy your glengarry wherever you choose to wear it.

Cheers

Jamie

(Says Panache, tipping his plumed hat)

[Kid Cossack]

In an attempt to wrench this thread back on topic, I must say that on the few occasions when I have worn a Glengarry, I have worn it on my head.