Scottish Flag of Preference?

[davedove]

It's an English flag/banner, displaying the three lions (passant, not rampant) traditionally associated (but there is great debate over this, mind you) with Richard the Lionheart. The banner may be found on the British Monarch's Royal Standard.

A similar banner with two lions passant is sometimes associated with Normandy.

Cheers,

Todd

You beat me to it Todd. I was going to say I thought it belonged to Richard.

[Arthur's Seat Sergeant]

[QUOTE=M. A. C. Newsome]I'm surprised that no one on this thread has yet mentioned the fact that the actual national flag of Scotland is the St. Andrews Cross. That's why I prefer it, personally.

The Lion Rampant is not a national flag.


I agree completely. "S" for Scotland, "S" for Saltire!!!

[MACKAY]

I suspect there are many today that would fail to recognize the Cross of St. George as England's national flag.

Unless you are a Soccer fan ... there are St George Crosses all over Germany this month. In the absence of Scotland being in the FIFA World Cup, one must become a Team England supporter :-)

Brian Mackay

[MacWage]

Just curious folks....I went to a flag shop yesterday to pick up a Rampant Lion flag. Saw yellow and red in the bag, and there was a little picture of the flag so I never second guessed. I come home and take it out of the bag, and this is what I get:



What is it?

This flag IS the ENGLISH royal banner. It is the English equivalent to the Rampant lion. If you watch Braveheart,it is what Longshanks is wearing on his surcoat (one of the things the movie got right). So, you tried to by the Scot royal banner and got the English one instead (seems like an Englishman pulled a fast one :rolleyes: ).

The current royal arms is a combination of the English, Scottish, and Irish royal arms (and sometimes French- I forget if HRM QE2 has the French or not).

[macwilkin]

The current royal arms is a combination of the English, Scottish, and Irish royal arms (and sometimes French- I forget if HRM QE2 has the French or not).

At one time the Royal Standard displayed the French fleur-de-lis a claim to former possessions in France lost by "John Lackland", but the current Royal Standards for England and Scotland do not display them. The fleur-de-lis were removed in 1801 when Ireland was formally added to the Union.

Cheers,

Todd

[MacWage]

The present royal banner is quartered (four parts-layed out like a grid):

the upper left and lower right are the red field with three lions- England
The upper right is the rampant lion- Scotland
and the lower left is a blue field with a yellow stylized harp (with a winged female figure forming the body of the harp)- Ireland

This has been the PERSONAL flag of the British monarch since 1837. Note-> this is a PERSONAL flag representing the Monarch him/herself and representatives on official business as the king/queen's PERSONAL representative. Thus, it is "improper" for anyone else to fly this flag.

With the constant changes in the royal banner, I forget which is when and when what was dropped/added. Sorry

From 1405-1603, the English (pre-James) royal flag was:
Top left & bottom right-> blue field with three fluer-di-lies (France)
bottom left & top right-> Red field with three red lions (England)

Inherent in this banner is the English claim to the French throne

From 1714-1801 it was a complex mess of 8 different arms
Top left-> left half-England, right half- Scotland
top right-France (blue with yellow fluers)
Bottom left-> Ireland (blue with yellow harp)
bottom right- Hanover (three arms with a fourth in center)


That said, I stilllike the Rampant Lion, but the saltire better.

BTW-> does anyone know what the Fairy Flag looked like before it deteriorated?

[MacTavishOfJapan]

Saltire for me. It represents all of Scotland and all the Scots. The Lion Rampant (while being a nice flag) only really represents the monarch.

Saying that I have both in my bedroom!! Though the saltire is bigger!

[MacWage]

BTW-> does anyone know what the Fairy Flag looked like before it deteriorated?

I researched that flag. And now that this thread has risen from the dead, like a pheonix ( a personal symbol-> was my first avatar here), I'll add it on.

The fairy flag was a simple stretch of fine fabric. It is likely of middle eastern origin. There was no "design" on it, just a large (natural) tan stretch of a linen (if I remember correctly).

[Johnny Celtic]

St. Andrews cross for me.

[Randy]

Saltire, I like a simple flag design.
At our home we fly the American flag, Scottish flag, and Rockville Flag.
I have the State and County flags on hand for state or county events.
My wife also flys seasonal banners and flags.