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11th August 08, 10:44 AM
#51
"... Downfall of civilization?" OMG!
I hope not! Like Alan H said, being a gentleman is all about treating others with respect... Part of showing that respect is to, as PiobBear put, "As a guest, I dress to suit my host."
So Yeti, DO ask your friends, the bride and groom to be, if what you are intending to wear will be suitable to their occasion.
(And you don't need me to say this)-- And so, gentlemen and ladies, build up your wardrobe to suit the social events and places that you will be attending -- friends' events, official functions, work functions. Not everybody has a suit and tie, apparently because they've not had a need for them.
I know, I know, this is all easier said than done... but the basic guideline to dressing for an event is to suit the host's wishes.
Last edited by meinfs; 11th August 08 at 10:56 AM.
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11th August 08, 10:53 AM
#52
 Originally Posted by panache
whether alan goes to visit todd or todd goes to visit alan i think the most appropriate accessory would be a nice bottle of single malt to celebrate the occasion! :d
cheers
jamie
hear, hear!!!!!!
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11th August 08, 06:26 PM
#53
 Originally Posted by Panache
Whether Alan goes to visit Todd or Todd goes to visit Alan I think the most appropriate accessory would be a nice bottle of single malt to celebrate the occasion!
Cheers
Jamie
Aye, Jamie...The Macallan is always a great accessory! :mrgreen: I would love to "splice the mainbrace" with both of you! :mrgreen: (Pusser's Rum only, of course!)
Alan, I hear ya...I wouldn't dare dream of calling anyone out on the standards I hold myself to.
T.
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12th August 08, 12:32 PM
#54
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Aye, Jamie...The Macallan is always a great accessory! :mrgreen: I would love to "splice the mainbrace" with both of you! :mrgreen: (Pusser's Rum only, of course!)
Alan, I hear ya...I wouldn't dare dream of calling anyone out on the standards I hold myself to.
T.
There's also the fine line to walk between "being yourself" and "being respectful of others".
I'm always wary of those who proclaim loudly that they don't care what anybody thinks, they're going to wear what they *(*&^>#|(* please, and everybody else can just deal with it. It's all well and good to be so terribly "indepndent" and be your own man, but there comes a point where you cross the line between "independence" and "arrogance".
I think of my best friends wedding years ago. Dave and his groomsmen all wore dark two or three-piece suits. As a guest, I dressed down a notch, with grey slacks and a dark blue sportcoat and tie. There's a picture of all of us...a mess of high school buddies all in a line....five or six suits, two guys in sportcoats and slacks.
...and Mike in blue jeans and a gaudy pink and blue striped t-shirt.
Mike's reasoning was that he was going to be his own man, not conform to societies numbing, de-humanizing rules and never, ever wear a tie. A tie was a symbol of intellectual and spiritual death. If Dave couldn't deal with Mike not wearing a tie, then Mike just wouldn't attend.
Why Mike couldn't have worn nice slacks, a nice shirt and a sweater is beyond me, but anyway, he didn't. In my humble opinion, Mike crossed the line between "independance" and "arrogance" that day. He used the leverage of his friendship with Dave and Daves brother to be invited to the wedding, but then didn't have the courtesy to dress even close to appropriately.
It's one thing to kowtow to everybody elses standards all the time and never be your own man, including in what you wear. It's another thing to be an arrogant, aggressive ( or passive-aggressive) jerk. We all need to find the balance between those things: be ourselves...realizing that while clothes are great, in fact clothes do NOT "make the man"....and be respectful and generous to those around us.
*****
Todd, were you to be a guest in my home, I'd open the bottle of Aberlour a'bunadh...precious elixir, that! 
and THEN we'd proceed to the Pussers run, poured out in the real thing...Royal Navy copper tot cups! (present from my Dad, years ago.)
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16th August 08, 08:16 PM
#55
An interesting thread this has been to one who did grow up opening doors for ladies, not just because they were ladies but because I like to feel like a gentleman. It still gives my wife a little thrill every time. I've grown and adapted to current tastes and manners all around the globe for over half a century and I retain that which suits my tastes and those in my circle.
Give all that has been presented here I'd simply second Berserkbishop's statement "I say a dress shirt and tie with the kilt will be enough, and a vest would look really dapper. I understand not being able to afford an argyle at a moments notice". You make do with what you have or can obtain without too much pain. Respect for one's host should dictate what is appropriate.
Just 2 cents more from the kilted rabble.
Bruce
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