Allowed tartans

[Mr. MacDougall]

Okay, enumeration, let's see...

MacDougall -- maternal ancestry.
County Cork -- father's mother came from there.
Irish National / Irish-American -- same as above.
Armstrong -- step-father's a Nixon, which is an Armstrong sept.
Arizona -- my home state.
North Carolina -- where I went to college after the Navy.
U.S. Navy -- I'm a veteran
New York City -- I worked and lived there for a year. (On the 18th floor of One World Trade Center, as it happens. I left less than a year before the attack).
MacMedic -- I'm a nurse.
Regan -- Somewhat tenuous, as it's my given name, rather than my family name, but hey, the ITA 4020 is beautiful, and I'm easy.
German national -- mother's father was from there.
German-American Heritage -- Same as above. Plus, I was an exchange student in Germany.

So there's thirteen choices, just off the top of my head, without counting universal tartans.

[ccga3359]

English by birth - nothing. (going back dozens of generations)
Canadian by choice - Maple Leaf (got it)
Ontario - (jonesing)
Desert Camouflage - Regimental (Queen's Own Deserters).

Choice is limited hence why I'm a little offended by the initial statement of this thread. 2¢ and all.

[Kilted-Marine]

Keith - Dad = Dickson
MacIntyre- Mother = Wright
MacDonald -Grandmother was an Alexander

Leatherneck-USMC 1981 - 1993
Army 1993-2002
Navy-USMC is a department of

Maine State -Born and Raised
Cape Breton-My dad lives there
Minnesota State-I live here

[RK-REX]

Mom/Dad- 100% Polish as far as I know. Polish National/Clan MacCaber Tartan. Have been collecting snippets of family history for a few years for a family history to be completed before my death.

Mom/Dad in-law - Walsh/Nee by marriage, County Galway Tartan and a few of the Irish and Irish/American Nationals. I have a 2 inch thick family history to read one of these days and I'm sure I'll find connections to a few other district/county tartans as well.

Me? No ties to Scottish blood as far as I know, although some scholars believe that the Celts inhabited all of continental Europe at one time, so.....

[flairball]

I'l give this a shot, though I'll bet some of my associations won't be too associative (< is that a word?).

MacKintosh- Surname is Rich, traces back as a MacKintosh sept.
USCG - I'm a vet
USA- I'm American
Any other tartan- Because I want to.

[BruceK]

Johnson - family tartan
Marjoribanks - likewise
US Navy - my Dad was in the Navy in WW2
Wallace - cause I likes it
Black Watch - likewise
Braveheart - likewise

[Keith A]

Life Is To Short To Be Upset About Such Things. Do Whats Good For You And Dont Give A Crap About What Others Do, As Long As It Dosent Take Pay Out Of Your Check Or Food Off Your Table It Does Not Matter. Besides Your Talking About Wearing Some Thing That The Average Person Thinks Is A Skirt, And Would Think Your Out Of Your Mind For Wearing Anyway. So Grow Up

[CactusJack]

I also believe that Black Watch should be restricted to Black Watch soldiers and family of the Black Watch.

"Ancient Campbell is the same as Black Watch tartan--hardly surprising, since that illustrious regiment is a Campbell regiment, raised by the Duke of Argyll in 1739. (Indeed, as Alastair Campbell of Airds Yr., Chief Executive of Clan Campbell, has indicated in his authoritative book Campbell Tartan, the Black Watch tartan may well have been adopted as the clan's tartan because so many members of the clan were already wearing it, owing to their service in the regiment.)"

This was taken from the Clan Campbell Society of America's web page
Just thought I would throw in my two cents for what it's worth.

[MacWage]

I also believe that Black Watch should be restricted to Black Watch soldiers and family of the Black Watch.

"Ancient Campbell is the same as Black Watch tartan--hardly surprising, since that illustrious regiment is a Campbell regiment, raised by the Duke of Argyll in 1739. (Indeed, as Alastair Campbell of Airds Yr., Chief Executive of Clan Campbell, has indicated in his authoritative book Campbell Tartan, the Black Watch tartan may well have been adopted as the clan's tartan because so many members of the clan were already wearing it, owing to their service in the regiment.)"

This was taken from the Clan Campbell Society of America's web page
Just thought I would throw in my two cents for what it's worth.

Unless SOMEONE, ANYONE can show me a PORTRAIT or some other PRIMARY source of ANY Campbell in "Black Watch" or similar tartan BEFORE the formation of the regiment, I maintain the following:

The tartan for the Black Watch was CREATED FOR the regiment. It is NOT based on ANY "clan" tartans, esp. as clans HAD NO "CLAN TARTANS" when the Black Watch came into existance.
The "Regimental" tartans were usually ADAPTATIONS of Black Watch (note: Gordon, for example, and Forbes).
However, SEVERAL of the clans then adopted the regimental tartans from the regiment bearing its name (note: Campbell and Gordon, as 2 famous regiments AND clans). I contend that these tartans were created FOR the regiments (the "Government sett" based ones were VARIATIONS for REGIMENT IDENTIFICATION purposes), THEN adopted by the clans AFTER THE FACT.

UNLESS someone shows me EVIDENCE in a primary source format, I hold the above.

Now, whether one sees "Black Watch"/Government Sett as appropriate for a "general" tartan we can debate until we are black, blue, and green..
The FACT remains, that the sett is probably the EASIEST to get your hands on and also the most common and popular.
So, appropriateness is really just an academic question at this point.

(Off now)

Now, where is my Blackewatch greatkilt?



(For those who do not know, THAT last statement was a stick at my own preference for "belted plaid" and Cajunscots pet peave of "Blackwatch"/"Black Watch")

[MacWage]

I also believe that Black Watch should be restricted to Black Watch soldiers and family of the Black Watch.

"Ancient Campbell is the same as Black Watch tartan--hardly surprising, since that illustrious regiment is a Campbell regiment, raised by the Duke of Argyll in 1739. (Indeed, as Alastair Campbell of Airds Yr., Chief Executive of Clan Campbell, has indicated in his authoritative book Campbell Tartan, the Black Watch tartan may well have been adopted as the clan's tartan because so many members of the clan were already wearing it, owing to their service in the regiment.)"

This was taken from the Clan Campbell Society of America's web page
Just thought I would throw in my two cents for what it's worth.

Unless SOMEONE, ANYONE can show me a PORTRAIT or some other PRIMARY source of ANY Campbell in "Black Watch" or similar tartan BEFORE the formation of the regiment, I maintain the following:

The tartan for the Black Watch was CREATED FOR the regiment. It is NOT based on ANY "clan" tartans, esp. as clans HAD NO "CLAN TARTANS" when the Black Watch came into existance.
Also, the OFFICIAL name for THAT tartan is "Govenment Sett" (though 99% of folks call it "Black Watch").
The "Regimental" tartans were usually ADAPTATIONS of Black Watch (note: Gordon, for example, and Forbes).
However, SEVERAL of the clans then adopted the regimental tartans from the regiment bearing its name (note: Campbell and Gordon, as 2 famous regiments AND clans). I contend that these tartans were created FOR the regiments (the "Government sett" based ones were VARIATIONS for REGIMENT IDENTIFICATION purposes), THEN adopted by the clans AFTER THE FACT.

UNLESS someone shows me EVIDENCE in a primary source format, I hold the above.

Now, whether one sees "Black Watch"/Government Sett as appropriate for a "general" tartan we can debate until we are black, blue, and green..
The FACT remains, that the sett is probably the EASIEST to get your hands on and also the most common and popular.
So, appropriateness is really just an academic question at this point.

(Off now)

Now, where is my Blackewatch greatkilt?



(For those who do not know, THAT last statement was a stick at my own preference for "belted plaid" and Cajunscots pet peave of "Blackwatch"/"Black Watch")