Symmetry

[sydnie7]

Close, but with the center pleat exactly opposite yours, the "box" being formed by the two knife pleats directly adjacent to the back center. Thanks for the photo and info. Very helpful.

Then you are thinking precisely of a Reverse Kingussie and the addendum to XKilt manual should prove helpful for pleating layout.

[David Thorpe]

Then you are thinking precisely of a Reverse Kingussie and the addendum to XKilt manual should prove helpful for pleating layout.

Thanks again, but I still have been unsuccessful at locating that addendum.

[sydnie7]

A search for "XKilt manual" returns (about halfway down the first page of results) this "new link to manual" thread:

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...al-link-64460/

The direct link to PDF is

http://cmgm.stanford.edu/~ahebert/Xk...t2ndedRevK.pdf

The RevK portion starts on page 51 of the PDF.

[Pleater]

You are after the reverse Kingussie - I make all my kilts by that method.

I make the inverted box pleat in the centre back quite deep, and the under apron pleats about the same depth.

This makes a kilt which allows all sorts of gymnastics, climbing over walls and gates, for instance, and cycling without the aprons separating - though you do need to wear cycling shorts with a knee length kilt so as not to have the edge between the seat and skin.

I have made some kilts mirror imaged, so that the two sides match. The same part of the pattern is visible but by rotating one side 180 degrees the colour of the inner folds is the same, even though they need to be in reverse order to do that.

I don't have access to my photos and kilts at the moment, but I will see what I can find to show off the method when I get home.

Take a look at
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...an-kilt-69372/

which I started, and then life caught up but it might give you an idea of my method.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

[David Thorpe]

Both very informative examples. Thanks.

[Chas]

I have got to ask - why would you want to make a reverse Kingussie kilt?

Unless you are intending, spending your whole kilted time standing up, at some point you are going to want to sit down. That involves doing a pleat sweep.

With a knife pleat, it is simple. The pleats rotate round anti-clockwise - right hand and arm behind back - smooth and hold down pleats - at the same time, bend at the knees and slide backwards onto the seat. I can do it with a pint of bear in my left hand at the same time.

With the reverse Kingussie, you need two hands - you are pushing all the spare material into the centre of the kilt (just where you are going to sit).

I cannot think that it will either be comfortable nor easy and will cause creases.

Am I missing something here?

Regards

Chas

[Calico]

I have got to ask - why would you want to make a reverse Kingussie kilt?Chas

Interesting set of assumptions, Chas. But there are two simple answers- 1) I want to and 2) my arms are clearly not as long as most others on this board. I cannot sweep my pleats as my hands will only reach 1/2 of the distance toward the center of my backside.

So I need to sweep once with each hand anyway. This way each hand sweeps the pleats the same way, rather than opposite of each other.

(not being argumentative, just saying "because I want to" is all the reason anyone needs. My R'lyeh sett kilt is being pleated Reverse Kingussie, just to be as nearly 'custom' as I can to match the custom tartan.)

[Chas]

Then you are thinking precisely of a Reverse Kingussie

Interesting set of assumptions, Chas. But there are two simple answers- 1) I want to and 2) my arms are clearly not as long as most others on this board. I cannot sweep my pleats as my hands will only reach 1/2 of the distance toward the center of my backside.

So I need to sweep once with each hand anyway. This way each hand sweeps the pleats the same way, rather than opposite of each other.

(not being argumentative, just saying "because I want to" is all the reason anyone needs. My R'lyeh sett kilt is being pleated Reverse Kingussie, just to be as nearly 'custom' as I can to match the custom tartan.)

Hi Calico,

You are, of course, free to do whatever you will.

If what Paul has posted and identified by sydnie7 as reverse Kingussie, then to do a pleat sweep, one would have to sweep towards the centre of the back, not from the back forwards.

If I did it, I would end up with a great mass of bunched cloth just where I was going to sit down.

Regards

Chas

[Pleater]

Being of the female persuasion I have the wide undercarriage narrow wingspan conformation as do most of that ilk, so I do almost the complete opposite of a pleat sweep.

I don't sew the fells of my reverse Kingussie kilts, so when I sit I draw the centre box pleat apart, allowing the pleats to cascade down on each side of the chair which keeps them from being creased wrongly, and when I stand up any creases which have been made vanish into the box pleat and are hidden from view.

When I get into a car I lift the pleats on the side which will enter first, the other side is left behind and has to be rescued before closing the door, but again the small pleats are each side of the seat rather than being sat on.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

[Dale-of-Cedars]

I don't sew the fells of my reverse Kingussie kilts, so when I sit I draw the centre box pleat apart, allowing the pleats to cascade down on each side of the chair which keeps them from being creased wrongly, and when I stand up any creases which have been made vanish into the box pleat and are hidden from view.

Just how deep can the inside pleats on the centre box pleat get?