Are kilts gothic (or anti-gothic)

[Dreadbelly]

Words fail me. Hmm.

[AllenJ]

"goths" arent gothic.

There is little to nothing in what todays people call "gothic" that has anything to do with northern European art and architecture between the 13th and 16th centuries.

That being said...
as I understand it the modern "goth" culture revolves around being yourself no matter what ridicule may come as a result.

[IEScotsman]

I was fortunate enough to break into the L.A. goth scene courtesy of the woman I now call my wife. When I met her, she was into the goth thing and I had my own fair share of black goth/club clothing. We would attend a nightclub VERY popular with the L.A. goth folks and got to meet a goth celebrity: "Angel". Not the TV show. He's a guy who actually has groupies and was in "Queen of the Damned". He wore kilts and wasn't the only one. It was fairly common.

In my opinion of the goth culture, it seems to be a peaceful, yet blatantly over-the-top rejection of the pastel Christian America portrayed by people like George W. Bush. It is a form of rebellion, usually against parents. They can be "dark" and "mysterious" and have "normal" people question their values while knowing within that they are not doing anything bad. Unfortunately, it can occasionally lead to much worse like drugs and self-mutilation.

Goths seem to wear kilts because it is a rejection of modern roles. Dad will ask why they are wearing a black leather skirt (but still thankful it isn't a mini) and Mom will wonder where she went wrong with her baby. But the kid can go have a good time.

[Dreadbelly]

Would a true Goth say "If it aint baroque, don't fix it?"

**Ducks the incoming rotten fruit**

[Nick]

"goths" arent gothic.

There is little to nothing in what todays people call "gothic" that has anything to do with northern European art and architecture between the 13th and 16th centuries.

That being said...
as I understand it the modern "goth" culture revolves around being yourself no matter what ridicule may come as a result.

Whenever I hear "Gothic" I think of arches that come to a point. Of course, that's probably my medieval studies intruding. I'm not sure how the modern sub-culture ended up with the term, sure the Gothic period had it's dark times, like the Black Plague, but so did other periods in history.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with anything, I just thought it was interesting.

Robin, I've seen a couple people in person who could be called "goth" who were kilted, and have been complimented on my kilts by people who were "goth". I noticed that that term is an umbrella for a rather huge variety of people, so it may be safe to say that goths under that end of the umbrella thought it was cool, while goths on the other end may not.

[Erisianmonkey]

From th OED online:
ADDITIONS SERIES 1993

Goth, n.

Sense 3 in Dict. becomes 4. Add: 3. Often with lower-case initial. a. A style of rock music, and the youth culture associated with this, deriving originally from punk, and characterized by the dramatically stark appearance of its performers and followers, reminiscent of the protagonists of (esp. cinematic) gothic fantasy, and by mystical or apocalyptic lyrics. Cf. *GOTHIC a. 3 e.

I would take exception with it still being characterized as a "youth" culture, because I still consider myself a goth at 31. I would add that the term "goth" was originally an insult to say that those branded with the label were "lacking in taste" but got adopted as a badge of honor early on. As far as the taste thing goes, I defy anyone to look at a goth and a rap fanboy side by side (as a comparison of those who follow a style) and tell me that the goth is the one without taste- the goth will be dressed in all black, generally in well fitting clothes, while the rap fanboy will be in baggy pants hanging somewhere between the knees and waist, gaudy "bling" jewelry, and various accoutrements sported by the latest rap star. The goth will be very polite, e.g. hold doors for ladies and say yes sir/ma'am, while the rap fanboy will be spouting rap lyrics, calling women something that I won't repeat here, and will generally be very menacing. (This does not necessarily mean all of either culture will follow this, but it is the most likely scenario)

We goths may be dark, but I'd say it's the rap fanboy who is evil.

[Raphael]

Not only that, try selling the idea of wearing kilt to the rap guys. It is going to be a tough sell.

[arrogcow]

Not only that, try selling the idea of wearing kilt to the rap guys. It is going to be a tough sell.

We'll see. I'm headed to Cleveland on Monday to work on the new video from Bone Thugs N Harmony. Not the first rap group I've worked for kilted, but certainly the biggest.

Adam

[Colin]

We'll see. I'm headed to Cleveland on Monday to work on the new video from Bone Thugs N Harmony. Not the first rap group I've worked for kilted, but certainly the biggest.

Adam

Are they still really around?!? I saw there old CD in the bargin section the other day for a $1.99.

Wow, I thought they disappeared mid 90's with the likes of Kriss Kross and the East vs West rap debate

I can't wait to hear their reaction to the kilt Adam. It's sound slike a fun day.

[Panache]

I thought I had read on Matt Newsome's blog that solid black kilts had been adopted as a dress/symbol for the people of Cornwall.

"Rocker", "Punk", "Glam", and "Goth" movements/fashion all share one common aspect. It's about rebelling against societal fashion and musical norms.

I find it somewhat amusing that you can have corporations like "Hot Topic" that own mall stores across America (and don't forget the internet) selling "Rocker", "Punk", "Glam", and "Goth" outfits and accessories.

The Rebellion has become the fashion, and in a sense, part of the norm.

Cheers

(So says Panache who has dressed as The Crow for Halloween and still sometimes listens to his "Swing the Heartache", "Floodland", and "Anything" cds)