Diced hose for daywear?

[The Barry]

Good thing I'm not my clan chief. Oddly, his livery colors are white and white.

You'll be fine as long as your chief doesn't specify that the flat cap is the official clan headwear!

[SlackerDrummer]

Good thing I'm not my clan chief. Oddly, his livery colors are white and white.

It would appear they should be gold and red. At least those are the primary metal and color from the 1st and 4th quarters of his arms and the colors used for the wreath (torse) in his achievement.

[Dall_Piobaire]

Only the senior piper of a chief or chieftain, as well as the piper of a duine uasail, bear the pipe banner, which is attached to the tallest drone by ribbons. The pipe banner is only displayed when the chief, chieftain, or duine uasail is personally present.

This I did not know, thank you!

[SlackerDrummer]

In civilian life chiefs, chieftains, and lairds (the duine uasail, or "gentlemen of the clan") are generally entitled to pipe banners. These should display the arms over the whole banner. The ribbons (and cords) of the pipes should reflect the livery colours of the pipe banner. For those interested, a chief has three pipers, a chieftain two, and a duine uasail one piper. Only the senior piper of a chief or chieftain, as well as the piper of a duine uasail, bear the pipe banner, which is attached to the tallest drone by ribbons. The pipe banner is only displayed when the chief, chieftain, or duine uasail is personally present.

From Lyon's website:

PIPE BANNERS

These are banners of personal arms but cut slanted at the top to fit against the big drone and hang down the piper's back. They are used by most Chiefs and Lairds who have personal pipers, and by the Highland regiments whose company commanders' pipe banners are displayed on the regiment's pipes. The correct usage is for the arms to fill the entire banner to its edges, but some regiments have different customs, such as showing the whole achievement including supporters, or the crest alone. Such traditions are now hallowed by the centuries and are permitted. The Pipe Majors of local government or works pipe bands may display their appropriate pipe banner of the corporation or company's arms. A pipe banner should be 30 centimetres wide and the short side should be 45 centimetres long.

Where the pipe banner is for a Clan Chief who is a Peer or a Scottish feudal baron, the pipe banner should have a rounded end extending beyond the 45 centimetre length. Where the banner is for a Clan Chief who is not a Peer or a Scottish feudal baron it should have a split rounded end.

Some regimental pipe banners have traditionally adopted a rounded end and where that has been done in the past it should continue. If there is no such tradition, and for pipe banners in all other cases, the end should be straight rather than rounded.

Scott,

Is anyone who would currently be allowed a TD by Lyon considered a Laird? If so, I would suggest a pipe banner should be allowed to anyone with land who can afford their own private piper (which still limits it considerably).

[Dall_Piobaire]

From Lyon's website:


Scott,

Is anyone who would currently be allowed a TD by Lyon considered a Laird? If so, I would suggest a pipe banner should be allowed to anyone with land who can afford their own private piper (which still limits it considerably).

Hmmm well... suppose, if they had arms. The banner is a means to display the arms, and is considered the personal property and identity of he to whom it is granted. So, one cannot use a banner, at least with the arms on it, without explicit permission of it's owner, which is why I assume it is only dieplayed when he is present.
Our clan chief is laird Kilmarnock I actually wrote Laird Kilmarnock, but he passed not long after the letter was sent! Didn't really think He woulld grant thier use, but what the heck!

[SlackerDrummer]

Hmmm well... suppose, if they had arms. The banner is a means to display the arms, and is considered the personal property and identity of he to whom it is granted. So, one cannot use a banner, at least with the arms on it, without explicit permission of it's owner, which is why I assume it is only dieplayed when he is present.

I thought all of that went without saying. Should have made that more clear.

[Dall_Piobaire]

I thought all of that went without saying. Should have made that more clear.

I might not have picked up on what you were putting down!

[Jack Daw]

It would appear they should be gold and red. At least those are the primary metal and color from the 1st and 4th quarters of his arms and the colors used for the wreath (torse) in his achievement.

Ah, you are right. I was thinking of the supporters when I should have been thinking of the charge.