Ghillie brogues, yes or no?

[Bugbear]

I thought the buckle on the "mary janes" was up on the instep nearer to the ankle... But I can't look at the pictures. For some reason, I thought the main difference between those and other buckle shoes is that there isn't a tongue or piece of leather over the instep area. Guess the ghillie brogues don't have the tongue either...

Although, I seem to remember the "Quaker" and "Pilgrem" shoes being depicted as having the instep covered, but with the buckle in the same area.

I remember the depictions of the pipers on the short bread tins usually having on the "mary janes," as well as, some kind of doublet and so on...

Just saying what I have to go by...