this is what i wore at my mates in July i was the only one there with a self tie ruche everyone had the pre-tied ones which i felt looked silly having spent so much time getting the look right to be spoiled with a plastic part on a tie on full show just didn't appeal to me
i think the waistcoat/vest just tidies the look up when the jacket needs to come off later in the evening
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the image is myself on the right and my young brother who survived cancer