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                                                5th September 11, 07:22 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					I agree.  The guy was a total jerk!  I wonder though, if he was judging you on military standards rather than as a civilian.  I know that troopers standing at inspection are held to a more rigorous standard and your were wearing a uniform.  Did he think he was you Sargent Major?
				 
				
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                                                5th September 11, 07:32 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Wow, now that is a bit much
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome   If it is any comfort, you are in good company! I have actually had someone physically grab my kilt and attempt to yank it down to cover my knees....  Cannot say any of my kilts hit below the knee cap so I am "guilty" as well.   I do have my opinions about the kilt, however cannot say that is anyones place to do so unsolicited physically or verbally, especially in public.   You handled it well   
				
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                                                5th September 11, 07:41 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					While this self-ordained hypocrite (pants-wearing) kilt-fascist individual was speaking, did the phrase, "annoying butt plug," EVER cross your mind?
				 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th September 11, 07:52 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	LOL...well if he was, I would have locked his heels...Sergeant Major or not (I've gotten to a rank where I could do that and get away with it...assuming, of course, I had good cause to do so).
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Baldybrown   I agree.  The guy was a total jerk!  I wonder though, if he was judging you on military standards rather than as a civilian.  I know that troopers standing at inspection are held to a more rigorous standard and your were wearing a uniform.  Did he think he was you Sargent Major? Edited to add:  Your post got me questioning/wondering...what does the RRoS Regulation say...so I just looked it up:  "The bottom of the apron should hang one inch above the center of the knee."  That sounds like the top of the kneecap to me.  I may have been 1.5"...but at any rate...he would still be "incorrect" if he were attempting to hold me to the military standard...which to my knowledge is the ONLY place we will ever find a written rule for how to wear one's kilt.
 
 Thanks all for the comments and playing along here!
 
 SaxandPipes...those offwhite/ecru hose are the pair that David Pope gifted me about a month ago when I put out a call on here to rid some people of some off-white hose that were taking up space in their drawer.  He had several pair of hand knit hose and sent them to me to pick the pair that I liked/fit me best.  I'm deeply indebted to him.  As he said "If you have to wear white/off-white hose (which was our specified uniform), you might as well wear a pair of quality hand knit ones."
 
 Jock...I will look up the thread that you have referred to.  Look forward to reading it.  As others have said, I don't think there is much one can do to change the mind/opinion of a guy like this.  It's hard to educate people that already know it all.  I felt like telling him that I'd see his Scottish expertise and raise him five other Scots who would give different answers...but again...I just politely (if somewhat sarcastically) thanked him for his opinion and told him that I was quite comfortable/happy with the way my kilt fits.
 
				
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                                                5th September 11, 08:23 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Priest or no, I don't think I would "say" anything either.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome   If it is any comfort, you are in good company! I have actually had someone physically grab my kilt and attempt to yank it down to cover my knees. 
 Did I say anything to them? Of course not!
 
 
 
 ...might deck 'im if 'e grabbed my clothes, but say anything... no, not likely.  :buttkick:
 Rev'd Father Bill White: Mostly retired Parish Priest & former Elementary Headmaster. Lover of God, dogs, most people, joy, tradition, humour & clarity. Legion Padre, theologian, teacher, philosopher, linguist, encourager of hearts & souls & a firm believer in dignity, decency, & duty. A proud Canadian Sinclair with solid Welsh and other heritage.
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th September 11, 08:33 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Down under kilt,
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                                                5th September 11, 09:11 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	This pic was taken at the same event as the one I posted above. I'd call this "gangsta style". I got the impression that the kilt was likely made properly to his measurements, but that no one ever told him how to wear it. (Got a side shot too: No dirk belt, and wee sporran on a chain.) As he was with his girlfriend, I made no attempt to enlighten him -- would've been rude.
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by Sir William   This weekend I attended the Virginia Scottish Games and while sitting at my clan tent began to notice that a lot of men wore their kilts below the knee.  As I sat there I began to count: those who wore it just covering the knee or above, and those who wore it below the knee (I didn't count bandsmen, those in sport-kilts, or young boys).  After about 10 minutes it was about 1:4.  Almost all were wearing their kilt on their hips, like a pair of pants. 
 
   
				
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                                                5th September 11, 09:51 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					Lordy Lordy Lordy - the kilt police do congretate at gatherings.  Once had a kilt cop tell me I had no right to wear a tartan that Lochcarron and others have mass produced for years.  Go figure.
 My clinical guess is that kilt police were raised in chaotic homes as children where the rules were constantly changing (i.e. drunk or crazy parents - or both).  So, as adults they tend to cling to rules for safety and any violation of the rules threatens them with a return to chaos - at least at their subconscious level.  So screw them - they need to be seeking a therapist for help with their childhood issues, not accosting kilties at gatherings and berating them for violating "their perception of the rules."
 
 Freudian musings aside.  You did well in dealing with that idiot.
 
 I still prefer the standard two word phrase "Foxtrot Uniform."
 Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton IslandLifetime Member STA.  Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
 "I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th September 11, 10:08 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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	Wow, lucky man!
		
			
			
				
					  Originally Posted by longhuntr74   ...
 SaxandPipes...those offwhite/ecru hose are the pair that David Pope gifted me about a month ago when I put out a call on here to rid some people of some off-white hose that were taking up space in their drawer.  He had several pair of hand knit hose and sent them to me to pick the pair that I liked/fit me best.  I'm deeply indebted to him.  As he said "If you have to wear white/off-white hose (which was our specified uniform), you might as well wear a pair of quality hand knit ones."
 
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 They most certainly don't look like renta-kilt hose (which is why I believe most people have the problem with the various shades of white). Good thinking...
 
 Anybody have a nice vintage sporran they don't want...?
 
	
	
		
                        
                                
                                        
                                                5th September 11, 10:09 AM
                                        
                                
                                
                                        
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					 I'm one of the ones guilty of too long kilts. I got my boys new kilts for the VA Scottish Games - they're about an inch too long, but all my kids are doing is growing these days, so if I hem them, I'll have to take them down in a few months, and hemming them will mess up the pleats. Plus my carpal tunnel and arthritis in my hands has been acting up lately. 
 There, I admit to being a lazy loser full-of-excuses Mom! (and yes, I pulled those kilts up high!)
 
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
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