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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    The Queen!
    As for the change to the succession, one wonders whether the EU is putting pressure on Britain to drop male primogeniture.
    It is certainly a politically correct move (which to me means avoid it at all costs!).
    And how long will it take to get every Dominion to agree to the change?
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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle View Post
    The Queen!
    As for the change to the succession, one wonders whether the EU is putting pressure on Britain to drop male primogeniture.
    It is certainly a politically correct move (which to me means avoid it at all costs!).
    And how long will it take to get every Dominion to agree to the change?
    Regards,
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    Mike,
    I am happy to drink the loyal toast anytime!

    However, I doubt this proposed change to the Act of Succession (1701) has anything to do with the EU which has various member states which are constitutional monarchies (UK, Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, and Sweden). Of these only Sweden has gone to (eldest child) primogeniture over male primogeniture, although the Norwegians (outside the EU) have followed the Swedes.
    This first came up around 20 years ago when it was proposed by Lord (Geoffrey) Archer, and both the Queen herself and UK governments of right and left have made generally supportive noises. The complexity is securing the consent and a workable timeline from all the Commonwealth realms (they are not called Dominions anymore), for something that while of public interest is a low political priority.

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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    Okay, Peter, Commonwealth realms it is now. But when South Africa belonged, it was a Dominion, and it still seems appropriate.
    A while back I read an amusing piece speculating that the succession could go to Princess Anne and through her to her daughter Zara. The writer suggested that “Queen Zara” could make her husband king – just imagine rugger player Mike Tindall lolling around as the king!
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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    One of the arguments used for changing the law of succession at this time in favour of the oldest child regardless of sex, is that it would make no difference to anyone currently alive. Prince Charles (born 1948) is older than Princess Anne (born 1950), with Prince William being Charles oldest child.

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    The last time it could have made a difference was when the eldest child of Queen Victoria was a female - Victoria, Princess Royal who later became Empress Frederick of Germany and Queen of Prussia. She was the mother of Kaiser Wilhelm II.

    Had she been the heir it is possible that that she would have married differently than she did and produced different offspring than she did.

    But she would only have outlived her mother by just over five months, dying on August 5th 1901.

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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    From the BBC, regarding the future succession in those Commonwealth nations where HM Queen Elizabeth II is Head of State.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15492607

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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    Darn you beat me to it!

    It's not retrospective so the scenario referenced by Mike could not happen (and Peter would be before Zara in any case).

    The difference will not be seen if William and Kate have a girl first but only if they afterwards have a boy who would previously have displaced his elder sister.
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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    According to the Canadian Government, when I asked them last year, The official name of Canada is "The Dominion of Canada"

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    Re: Her Majesty The Queen, about to visit Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Crowe View Post
    Mike,
    I am happy to drink the loyal toast anytime!

    However, I doubt this proposed change to the Act of Succession (1701) has anything to do with the EU which has various member states which are constitutional monarchies (UK, Spain, Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, and Sweden). Of these only Sweden has gone to (eldest child) primogeniture over male primogeniture, although the Norwegians (outside the EU) have followed the Swedes.
    This first came up around 20 years ago when it was proposed by Lord (Geoffrey) Archer, and both the Queen herself and UK governments of right and left have made generally supportive noises. The complexity is securing the consent and a workable timeline from all the Commonwealth realms (they are not called Dominions anymore), for something that while of public interest is a low political priority.
    First of all apologies to the OP for taking the thread on this tangent but I just wanted to correct what I previously posted (believing it to be true at the time). According to the BBC there are more Constitutional Monarchies in Europe that have changed their laws of succession in favour of the oldest child regardless of sex from the previous practice of male primogeniture than what I stated above. These are all in Northern Europe; (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg).

    Sorry to post duff information on the above, that's what comes of relying on memory rather than thoroughly checking to make sure my information was fully current and up to date. In any case, I doubt it has anything to do with either the EU or the larger Council of Europe, and a lot more to do with the prevailing Spirit of the Age.
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