"Well my kilt is pure wool - 35 yards"

**CDNSushi** · 23rd October 11, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Highland Logan

I have to ask... what the *?!; does that mean? Are you trying to be raciest or funny? If it's funny, maybe you can explain it.

Frank

I didn't read it to be racist at all. There are a number of kilt manufacturing companies in Pakistan (mainly in Sialkot) and oftentimes their sales and marketing tactics are umm... less than honest, shall we say.

The jibe, as I read it, was aimed towards the business practices of some of these notorious companies rather than ethnicity or colour of skin.

**pascs** · 23rd October 11, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by CDNSushi

I didn't read it to be racist at all. There are a number of kilt manufacturing companies in Pakistan (mainly in Sialkot) and oftentimes their sales and marketing tactics are umm... less than honest, shall we say.

The jibe, as I read it, was aimed towards the business practices of some of these notorious companies rather than ethnicity or colour of skin.

I agree and that there was no racism intended

**Highland Logan** · 24th October 11, 01:22 AM

I could agree that maybe it was in jest. However when did the OP mention Pakistan? He didn't. So I see no point in bringing it up if not to create a racial or regional stereotype. Which in this case would be negative... and that's called what?

Frank

**CDNSushi** · 24th October 11, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Highland Logan

I could agree that maybe it was in jest. However when did the OP mention Pakistan? He didn't. So I see no point in bringing it up if not to create a racial or regional stereotype. Which in this case would be negative... and that's called what?

Frank

(Mod hat off)

Frank, with all due respect, I think that's being a bit hypersensitive. First, there is nothing wrong with having negative sentiments about a region for a specific purpose... The Chinese may be lovely people, but I for one don't care for many of the products they produce, especially when they're made of metal and/or plastic. The quality tends to be awful. Doesn't make me a racist though.

Second, if we were to simply to restrict ourselves to ONLY that which the OP mentioned in his post, there really wouldn't be much conversation in any thread... The whole point of having a discussion is people bringing up novel ideas and introducing them into a thread. Otherwise, why bother?

He brought up the line about Pakistan because there have been many discussions on XMarks about mislabeled products, false claims, unfulfilled orders, and outright scams coming from Sialkot.

Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill and move on. The quip was not meant as being stereotypical or racist and I think pretty much everyone responding in this thread thus far understands that.

**Highland Logan** · 24th October 11, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by CDNSushi

(Mod hat off)

He brought up the line about Pakistan because there have been many discussions on XMarks about mislabeled products, false claims, unfulfilled orders, and outright scams coming from Sialkot.

Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill and move on. The quip was not meant as being stereotypical or racist and I think pretty much everyone responding in this thread thus far understands that.

Since your hat is off...

There were no claims from the OP that the "misinformed" gentleman's kilt was made in Pakistan so why mention it. It sounded more like a case of the other example given; that he heard 3 to 5 yards, and misheard it as 35 yards. There have been many threads on here where the quality of goods from other places have all been lumped in together as poor quality, and we all know that this is not really the case. One bad manufacturer does not make the region. What of instead of saying the kilt was Pakistani, I said the owner was lets say, Canadian.. only a Canadian would figure you could have 35 yards of material in a kilt, would that be wrong?

Frank

**Zardoz** · 24th October 11, 06:52 AM

Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it.
E. B. White

Don't feed the Troll....

**Nighthawk** · 24th October 11, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Highland Logan

I could agree that maybe it was in jest. However when did the OP mention Pakistan? He didn't. So I see no point in bringing it up if not to create a racial or regional stereotype. Which in this case would be negative... and that's called what?

Frank

Over reaction? Reading in insult where there was none? Unless, of course, you're one of those unethical Pakistani businessmen who was getting poked fun at. Are unethical businessmen a race? I thought they existed in every culture. I could be wrong, though...

Originally Posted by Zardoz

Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it.
E. B. White

Don't feed the Troll....

There's no troll, Z. Just someone who wants to find an insult. That is simply a symptom of a PC society. We think we somehow have the right not to be offended. There was no racial slight made- we all know that- but a region was mentioned, so there invariably was that one person who had to make up a reason to get offended. He's not being a troll- just another victim of the political correctness movement. I'm not fat... I'm horizontally challenged...

**room2ndfloor** · 24th October 11, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by Zardoz

Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the frog dies of it.
E. B. White

Don't feed the Troll....

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I love this comment.

X Marks needs the buttons for "agree" "disagree" and "love" as Ravelry has.

**CelticSire** · 24th October 11, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Highland Logan

Since your hat is off...

What of instead of saying the kilt was Pakistani, I said the owner was lets say, Canadian.. only a Canadian would figure you could have 35 yards of material in a kilt, would that be wrong?

Frank

No, especially if you also threw in a humorous sidebit about the metric system. Lighten up, Francis. Now, do I need to explain the humor in that movie reference? Or am I going to be accused of being racist because I don't like talking mules...

**Jay** · 24th October 11, 06:06 PM

As the originator of the "Pakistani" comment, please allow me to clarify.

By "Pakistani" I meant the low end kilt industry in Pakistan. The guys that advertise "man made wool" when they mean acrylic and "genuine Scottish design" when they mean a knock off of a traditional Scottish garment and tell you it's and 8 yard kilt that features 10 pleats about 1" deep.

The comment was in no way a slight against Pakistan as a country, a people or a culture. At no time did I feel that I was somehow better than any Pakistani because of race. But then again, that would be bigotry, not racism.