Thanks for the info and hints OC. I have a few options in the Portland area for pipes and when I can clear my schedule,will attend some free lessons by the River City Pipe band. Life has changed since I bought the chanter and whistles so they are on the back burner for a wee bit. As for the kilts, well ignorance is bliss some say but I still call it laziness. Youngs kids excepted of course but there have been enough movies,books and media attention devoted to a kilt and being Scottish that there is no excuse. After Braveheart and Rob Roy I expected everyone to know but I guess not.