Dear Tradionalists - That's what is called deluting the concept

[cryptoman]

That said, the evolution of a garment doesn't happend at reanactment festivals but in the fashion world, so an evolution of a garment can happend but usually not along the line of crazy funky edgy, so that the definition of a kilt would get 20 footnotes who would lead to a skirt-like-garment-without-zipper minimalistic denotation.

The fashion scene and the scene of traditional reanactment, are both influenced by the general definition of a kilt and if someone makes stuff up and calls his skirt kilt has no influence on the general definition, unless it is accepted in the general public, which I doubt. It is the delution of the definition I am worring about. If ya stretch a terms to wide it become meaningless.

American Mountain Hardware tried to sell a wrap arround skirt without pleats as a kilt. Obviously miserable because a few years later they relaunched it under the label Elkommando Kilt which is sold out until these days.

[TheOfficialBren]

If Ford decided to reintroduce the Model T, it could make those alonside the new Mustangs and still be considered an automobile manufacturer. If a kiltmaker decided to...innovate(?) and produce unpleated skirts, he/she would no longer be a kiltmaker. A kilt, by definition, has pleats. I have no problem with some dude wearing a skirt--my only issue would be if he tried insisting it was a kilt. I'd give him a dictionary and a sad shake of my head.

Yup! This..spot on, LitTrog.

[creagdhubh]

She might be wearing a Kilt though since it does appear to have pleats in the back.

If there are in fact pleats, then I would venture to call it a "kilted skirt," which is indeed a style that many women tend to wear at varying lengths, and in this case, a lovely mid-thigh length.

http://www.kinlochanderson.com/women.../tartan-skirts

Cheers,

[English Bloke]

She might be wearing a Kilt though since it does appear to have pleats in the back.

I've never seen a bloke wearing a mid thigh length kilt that has been taken seriously by his kilted peers. Each to their own but I still say the lady in the middle is wearing a skirt. Could be a kilted skirt? But it's still a skirt.

... If a kilt maker decides to 'innovate' his kilt by dropping the pleats it might still be a kilt, whether your opinion says otherwise or not. ...

You're right AD. I forgot the bit where, "People can call it a Kilt, in fact people can call it what they like... But in my opinion... it still isn't a Kilt".

Because of course, we're all entitled to one of those. Doesn't necessarily mean we're right... or wrong... just means we have an opinion.

As for innovative fashion... I'm of a mind, if it ain't broke don't fix it and so I do like your point that "tradition, by definition, is impervious to fashion trends". To be honest, that pleases and reassures me but then I'm hardly an avant garde fashionista.

[Grizzly]

As for innovative fashion... I'm of a mind, if it ain't broke don't fix it and so I do like your point that "tradition, by definition, is impervious to fashion trends". To be honest, that pleases and reassures me but then I'm hardly an avant garde fashionista.

I'm not so sure about that John, you are at the forefront, if not a style icon in matching the DJ (denim Jacket) with the kilt and not forgetting the Akubra. Now that's class! A unique and very distinctive look IMHO.

[adempsey10]

I've never seen a bloke wearing a mid thigh length kilt that has been taken seriously by his kilted peers. Each to their own but I still say the lady in the middle is wearing a skirt. Could be a kilted skirt? But it's still a skirt.



You're right AD. I forgot the bit where, "People can call it a Kilt, in fact people can call it what they like... But in my opinion... it still isn't a Kilt".

Because of course, we're all entitled to one of those. Doesn't necessarily mean we're right... or wrong... just means we have an opinion.

As for innovative fashion... I'm of a mind, if it ain't broke don't fix it and so I do like your point that "tradition, by definition, is impervious to fashion trends". To be honest, that pleases and reassures me but then I'm hardly an avant garde fashionista.

Dont get me wrong, I'd hate to see a kilt lose its pleats... just like I never want baby blue suits to ever come back into fashion, or high waisted pants.... or basically anything from the 80s.
I would like to see some more kilt makers making kilts that rest a little lower than the natural waist. Sportkilt makes some but I'd prefer a PV or wool tartan kilt that sits where my pants sit. Just my preference though.

[English Bloke]

...I would like to see some more kilt makers making kilts that rest a little lower than the natural waist. ... I'd prefer a PV or wool tartan kilt that sits where my pants sit.

Union Kilts

[HarveyH]

... I don't want to be a traditionalist, I just cannot wait for the day someone calls a pair of jeans a kilt.

Of course thanks to challenges to kilt makers you can indeed now get a kilt made from several pairs old jeans, although you can see that I prefer the more traditional look they are both "kilts", I agree that getting rid of the pleats rather destroys any reasonable definition of what a kilt might be ...

[Pleater]

She has gotten a gown of green satin,
she has kilted it up tae the knee
And she's off wi' Lord Ronald MacDonald,
his bride and his darling to be.

There's dancing and joy in the heilands,
there's piping and gladness and glee.
For MacDonald's brought home Leezie Lindsay,
his bride and his darlin' to be.
Use of the verb to kilt - though to be exact, a kilt is a skirt - as is the lower part of a long coat, the air cushion of a hovercraft and quite a few other things.

Skirt, shirt and sark are all related in meaning - though it would be the older style of shirt with the double yoke and cuffs and a joined up piece of fabric around the body.


Anne the Pleater :ootd:

[davidlpope]

Freedom Kilts offers tartan kilts that sit lower on the waist. So does USA Kilts.

See these links for details:

http://www.freedomkilts.com/fit.php
http://www.usakilts.com/custompages/...t_measure.html