Legitimate??

[Mael Coluim]

Had a look at The Scottish Trading Company web page. They advertise for $89.99 a kilt in 16oz heavy weight poly viscose, imported from Scotland. This reminded me of seeing something about the existence of 16oz poly viscose:

Nothing to do with being legitimate or not but interesting, maybe.

Such kilts are great entry kilts for many entering the kilted world. Matt will take your measurements for a fine quality wool kilt made in Scotland if that be your preference.

[Kylahullu]

Such kilts are great entry kilts for many entering the kilted world. Matt will take your measurements for a fine quality wool kilt made in Scotland if that be your preference.

Well, I might have been unclear, sorry my English.

My preference is that if I buy something advertised as a kilt in 16oz heavy weight poly viscose, I do want to get a kilt in 16oz heavy weight poly viscose, not something else. If such thing does not exist, I do not buy anything from that advertiser, or recommend anyone else to do it. You will never know what you get. Low price is no excuse.

The kilt might be a fine "entry kilt", but is it made of 16oz heavy weight poly viscose. If not, there is an ugly word for that... But even unintended mistakes do happen sometimes, even to advertisers.

[WillowEstate]

Well, I might have been unclear, sorry my English.

My preference is that if I buy something advertised as a kilt in 16oz heavy weight poly viscose, I do want to get a kilt in 16oz heavy weight poly viscose, not something else. If such thing does not exist, I do not buy anything from that advertiser, or recommend anyone else to do it. You will never know what you get. Low price is no excuse.

The kilt might be a fine "entry kilt", but is it made of 16oz heavy weight poly viscose. If not, there is an ugly word for that... But even unintended mistakes do happen sometimes, even to advertisers.

I'll say upfront that I have had no dealings with this company but from the experiences in this thread, it is obvious that they are heavily focused on real customer service and are rightly proud of their products.

If you really really want a 16 ounce kilt, then I would recommend you go with wool. As a chemist by training, if not by profession, polyviscose yarn woven into cloth at a true 16 ounces to the square yard would be extremely thick and, I suspect, rather uncomfortable.

I have a kilt, not from this company, that was advertised as 16 ounce PV. Is it actually 16 ounce? No but when I asked the vendor before I bought it, they said that it had the look and swing of a 16 ounce kilt. Members of this forum would spot immediately that it wasn't actually 16 ounce but it does behave in a very similar manner, except that it doesn't hold the pleats as cleanly.

I would agree with Mael that these kilts are excellent first kilts or everyday kilts, where you don't want to risk damage to several hundred dollars worth of top quality wool kilt. But it's always your choice. You came to the right place to get clarification. Good luck, whatever your final decision.

[Kylahullu]

I'll say upfront that I have had no dealings with this company but from the experiences in this thread, it is obvious that they are heavily focused on real customer service and are rightly proud of their products.

Well, advertising something as "xxxx" and it being "aaaa" isn't "real customer service" in my books. If someone is rightly proud of his product then why not advertise it as "aaaa"?

I have a kilt, not from this company, that was advertised as 16 ounce PV. Is it actually 16 ounce? No but when I asked the vendor before I bought it, they said that it had the look and swing of a 16 ounce kilt.

So, they tried to cheat you. Luckily you knew enough to call it out. To have a "look and swing as a 16oz" is not same as being a 16oz.

I would agree with Mael that these kilts are excellent first kilts or everyday kilts, where you don't want to risk damage to several hundred dollars worth of top quality wool kilt. But it's always your choice. You came to the right place to get clarification. Good luck, whatever your final decision.

That is not the point. They can be real good ones for any purpose but why the (possibly) false advertising? I am not discussing about some kilt being good or not, or some other being worse or...

Maybe this is some kind of a cultural matter... but I would buy the kilt "that has the swing of a 16oz kilt" from someone that advertises it as such and never from someone who advertises it as "a 16oz kilt". Even if I was lucky enough to call the fraud out once I wouldn't trust that seller any more.

(This mail is more an academic discussion about fraud, trust and fair play than of any specific vendor.)

[Bareknees1]

Many thanks to the unseen hand that corrected my spelling. I can now visit this thread without cringing. Special appreciation to all for their input. Once again, the power of this community has shown through, helping to assuage concerns and validate a vendor though shared experiences. There was never any intent to impugn any organization, just a desire to try to ensure that if a purchase was to be considered, the experience would be safe.

[MacGumerait]

Well, advertising something as "xxxx" and it being "aaaa" isn't "real customer service" in my books. If someone is rightly proud of his product then why not advertise it as "aaaa"?

So, they tried to cheat you. Luckily you knew enough to call it out. To have a "look and swing as a 16oz" is not same as being a 16oz.

That is not the point. They can be real good ones for any purpose but why the (possibly) false advertising? I am not discussing about some kilt being good or not, or some other being worse or...

Maybe this is some kind of a cultural matter... but I would buy the kilt "that has the swing of a 16oz kilt" from someone that advertises it as such and never from someone who advertises it as "a 16oz kilt". Even if I was lucky enough to call the fraud out once I wouldn't trust that seller any more.

(This mail is more an academic discussion about fraud, trust and fair play than of any specific vendor.)

Kylahullu , please note that WillowEstate was not referring to The Scottish Trading Company about the 16 oz PV as that came from a different vendor .

He was merely saying that based on the posts on this thread ... that The Scottish Trading Company appears to have good customer service . ( which is true from my experience )

Cheers , Mike

[Kylahullu]

Kylahullu , please note that WillowEstate was not referring to The Scottish Trading Company about the 16 oz PV as that came from a different vendor .

Totally understood. Please note that I was referring to the seller of that said kilt, not to The Scottish Trading Company. Sorry my English if I gave some other impression.

He was merely saying that based on the posts on this thread ... that The Scottish Trading Company appears to have good customer service . ( which is true from my experience )

Everything I have said of The Scottish Trading Company is purely based on the posts on this thread, their web site and the impression of their Facebook page. At the time of my first post (#9 here) there was only the web site and Facebook to see. Of pure curiosity I had a look on them and found something that indicated that one should be careful when dealing with them. Caveat emptor, to be said. That is what i posted here, with the relevant links if someone was interested.

I am not denying anything of the good the other members have said regarding this vendor. They have their nice experiences and that is fine. The one thing I am wondering a bit is that no-one has anything to say about someone advertising xxx and selling aaa, well may be not that big a difference here, a xxa and a xaa maybe , but a difference anyway. I am only told "the company is driven by nice people and I have good experiences". Well, I might shake hands and chat with some nice people I know but count my fingers afterwards and never lend money to them. (This is not any way referring to "the Company" only an expression to make a point clear.)

This minor find of mine on their web site has now got way too much attention, specially when no one else thinks it has anything to do with the reputation of the said vendor.

[BCAC]

In fact the problem is that the STC appear to be advertising something (a kilt made in 16oz PV) where the actual materiel (16oz PV) is said not to exist. The OP is saying that if an item is advertised to be made of 35 ton platinum, if he buys said item, he wants to receive something in 35 ton platinum and not something else. Maybe Matt could pitch in here to clarify?

[WillowEstate]

So, they tried to cheat you. Luckily you knew enough to call it out. To have a "look and swing as a 16oz" is not same as being a 16oz.

(This mail is more an academic discussion about fraud, trust and fair play than of any specific vendor.)

No, they didn't try to cheat me, they advertised a product on their web site that didn't align with my experience. I asked them for an explanation and got a very swift and helpful answer, with which I was satisfied. It behoves all of us to check out anything we are considering buying, shorthand in advertising is very common.

As to the second extract, that isn't what the OP asked but it is an interesting diversion, though I'm not sure I would use words like "fraud" without proof of intention to deceive. Your mileage may vary and with that, I will bow out of this thread.

[Mack]

I would have replied to this thread earlier, however our business profile was being set up and I was limited to two posts before today and I used those earlier.

I want to personally thank all of you who took the time to post in this thread who have experience with us and giving us such a wonderful reviews. I really appreciate! Mael has it really been 7 years? The Williamsburg Games right?Great pic of our booth in Virginia, that must have been early in the morning! ASinclair Thank you, Yes Virginia is one of our favorite games of the year. Between the field and the people who attend, you can not get any better. See you there in a few months,let's hope it is a little cooler this year!