white coatee as a warm weather option

[Benning Boy]

The US Army, back when there were many uniform variations specified in regulations dates for wearing warm weather and other weather uniforms. It varied by geographic location. Generally in most of the Original 48 states, as best as I can remember, the warm weather uniform could be worn from April 15 to October 15. Also, those are the dates when the furnaces were lit, or shut down. Sometimes we got awful cold wearing warm weather uniforms on very chilly days. Air conditioning, that is air cooling, was not government issued in those days. I'd wear a white mess jacket during that six-month period and not feel freaky.

[auld argonian]

Whatever you might think about the appropriate color of evening dress, it does very much vary according to location….sorry to disappoint the effete among you but that "changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes" business does tend to hold true. Learned this lesson in business years ago when my Chicago fashion sense ran up against fellow employees from the the Southern, New England and Western divisions of my company and my boss, a very wise man from Missouri, told me to not be so critical and explained the situation to me.

I have wondered why, since the patterns obviously exist, some enterprising Scottish wear manufacturer hasn't taken pity on the members of the diaspora who live in climates unlike that of the Highlands and cranked out more Summer weight jackets. I could see some tan, light weight poly cotton kilt jackets being big sellers and looking *reasonably* proper even to the hide bound traditionalists IF they were made well according to the trad pattern. You do see the odd conversion jacket made of a lighter weight material but despite the best efforts of the convertor they still look like a conversion. I would hope that some manufacturer would concede that there are situations where lighter weight jackets are appropriate and it would be better if they were made "to spec" rather than improvised.

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AA

[artificer]

Whatever you might think about the appropriate color of evening dress, it does very much vary according to location….sorry to disappoint the effete among you but that "changes in latitudes, changes in attitudes" business does tend to hold true. Learned this lesson in business years ago when my Chicago fashion sense ran up against fellow employees from the the Southern, New England and Western divisions of my company and my boss, a very wise man from Missouri, told me to not be so critical and explained the situation to me.

I have wondered why, since the patterns obviously exist, some enterprising Scottish wear manufacturer hasn't taken pity on the members of the diaspora who live in climates unlike that of the Highlands and cranked out more Summer weight jackets. I could see some tan, light weight poly cotton kilt jackets being big sellers and looking *reasonably* proper even to the hide bound traditionalists IF they were made well according to the trad pattern. You do see the odd conversion jacket made of a lighter weight material but despite the best efforts of the convertor they still look like a conversion. I would hope that some manufacturer would concede that there are situations where lighter weight jackets are appropriate and it would be better if they were made "to spec" rather than improvised.

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AA

I know for a while the STM had linen kilt-cut jackets as part of their offering, but I don't currently see them- although I am in a hurry.

It would be a pity if they weren't available anymore, as I quite liked the Loden Green.

ith:

[Chas]

snip - sorry to disappoint the effete among you - snip

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AA

Effete - adjective 1. - lacking in wholesome vigour; degenerate; decadent: an effete, overrefined society.

2. - exhausted of vigour or energy; worn out: an effete political force

3. -unable to produce; sterile

Anyone in particular you had in mind?

[plaid preacher]

Dileas, just to add some gravitas to your argument. The white regulation doublet seems to be just find for the Pipes and Drums, 2nd BN RCR. as noted in the photo in this link: http://theroyalcanadianregiment.ca/g...lery_2rcr.html

I'm sure they do have the standard scarlet tunics for winter, but I always seem to see them in summer, and therefore always in their white doublets; and I think they look pretty sharp!

As for being effete, I would like to offer a word of caution. To many out there, I'm sure they look at all of us who wear the kilt; and especially those of us who do not speak with a Scottish brogue, and see us as somewhat effete. So I say, if you're going to be effete ... go the whole way! ith:

[Calgacus]

As for being effete, I would like to offer a word of caution. To many out there, I'm sure they look at all of us who wear the kilt; and especially those of us who do not speak with a Scottish brogue, and see us as somewhat effete. So I say, if you're going to be effete ... go the whole way! ith:

A curious cultural difference shows up here. In Scotland, Kilt wearing is not seen by anyone as effete. If anything, quite the reverse.

In fact, the traditional kilt when worn by women, such as in a pipe band setting, looks to me to be decidedly 'butch'.

[Nathan]

A curious cultural difference shows up here. In Scotland, Kilt wearing is not seen by anyone as effete. If anything, quite the reverse.

In fact, the traditional kilt when worn by women, such as in a pipe band setting, looks to me to be decidedly 'butch'.

I couldn't agree more about the kilt looking manish on women but I don't equate "effete" with effeminacy, just with being affected, pretentious or overrefined.

[Calgacus]

I couldn't agree more about the kilt looking manish on women but I don't equate "effete" with effeminacy. Just with being affected, pretentious or overrefined.

I guess it depends on which definition you grew up with. To me, the word does have that association. YMMV.

From the Oxford dictionary:-

1.2 (Of a man) weak or effeminate:he chatted away, exercising his rather effete charm
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...english/effete

[plaid preacher]

I was thinking more toward Nathan's understanding of the definition than the one you are using Calgacus; and I did note that I was speaking more about those of us in the diaspora, than for those who still live in Scotland. Now that doesn't mean, I don't wear my kilt with pride, but I know when I walk through the streets of this small Ontario town, I am probably the only kilt they will see today ...and probably all year. (although I was pleased to see the Stratford Pipes and Drums on our local parade this past year, the first time in the 5 yrs I have lived here. So things my be looking up.)

[Calgacus]

I was thinking more toward Nathan's understanding of the definition than the one you are using Calgacus; and I did note that I was speaking more about those of us in the diaspora, than for those who still live in Scotland. Now that doesn't mean, I don't wear my kilt with pride, but I know when I walk through the streets of this small Ontario town, I am probably the only kilt they will see today ...and probably all year. (although I was pleased to see the Stratford Pipes and Drums on our local parade this past year, the first time in the 5 yrs I have lived here. So things my be looking up.)

Come to think of it, things are probably not so different here. Wearing my daywear outfit, tweed jacket 'n' all, out in the streets of this Aberdeenshire town would not go unnoticed by passers-by. By your usage of the word I might well be seen by some as effete.