I would like to submit a proposal to the membership

[Mael Coluim]

The term Non-Traditional strikes me as second class. Perhaps if the term modern is not exact maybe contemporary should be considered. (Feelings of Deja vu here.) The funny thing here I think its a mind set what you are emulating. Steve is thinking modern and Rex is thinking Traditional and no one else can see the difference.

I appreciate what Steve is attempting in redefining the categories and see merit in what Nathan is attempting to fine tune, but I think I'll sit in DavidPope's tent for awhile.

[ThistleDown]

The term Non-Traditional strikes me as second class. Perhaps if the term modern is not exact maybe contemporary should be considered. (Feelings of Deja vu here.) The funny thing here I think its a mind set what you are emulating. Steve is thinking modern and Rex is thinking Traditional and no one else can see the difference.

I appreciate what Steve is attempting in redefining the categories and see merit in what Nathan is attempting to fine tune, but I think I'll sit in DavidPope's tent for awhile.

Yes, deja vu, Ern. We've been here and done this. As you said, the redefining of categories by Steve and the fine-tuning by Nathan are all to the well and good, but I like the Traditional as DavidPope sees it, too -- for now -- and really think what is in need of re-work is "contemporary" or whatever we re-name it. As we are we define 'traditional' very well, but we fail miserably when it comes to describing alternative ways to wear Highland dress than what is traditional. Sad to say, but I think that has much to do with 21C confusion about what is 'alternative' or 'ab-normal'.

[Hawk]

I like Nathan's suggestions as Ratspike also agreed. I like the way this is heading. I also like posting #19 in this thread by Steve, as it shows clearly that we are an accepting community of kilt wearing people and kilt interest people, of all shapes, sizes, backgrounds, fashion sense, etc....

The only suggestion I would add was be sure to include that General Kilt subsection in the tweaking of categories. Keep up the discussion, as I'd also like to hear what some of our contributors, history folks, and kilt makers have to say ( Rocky, Steve, Bob-Ratspike, Bonnie, etc., etc...).

Hawk