Baker Street "Pub" - No Kilts Allowed

**cessna152towser** · 7th February 15, 07:32 AM

Yes indeed Richard.
Here in Scotland raising the Union Jack can often be misinterpreted as support for a certain soccer club which seems to have "adopted" the Union Jack as their own.
I would NEVER raise a Union Jack here in Scotland nor would I have the Union Jack pattern on any of my personal effects, keyrings etc, not even on my internet home page, yet when I go just a few miles over the border to do a day's volunteering at the air museum I am proud to raise their Union Jack on their flagpole.
Though it is not unheard of for supporters of said football club to occasionally be seen wearing kilts!

**duke_19_62** · 7th February 15, 08:53 AM

I contacted a location of chain "pubs" here in Annapolis called "Union Jack's" through the Contact Us portion of their website and sent "I just read that another chain of self-professed British "pubs" does not allow men in kilts in their establishments except on St. Patrick's Day. Do you have any such restrictions? I enjoy celebrating my Scottish heritage on my knee and would be proud to wear my kilt in your place. I look forward to your response."

The response: "kilts are always welcome at Union Jacks"

**Father Bill** · 7th February 15, 09:16 AM

... and not just on Irish holidays. Wow!

**Father Bill** · 7th February 15, 09:20 AM

Baker Street now has three of us who have posted negatively about that, and one of the "likes" for a post is a name I don't recognize from XMarks (although I don't know everyone's real name). Perhaps when they check their page they'll need to have a discussion.

Wouldn't be surprised though, if they just delete our comments.

Ya' can't fix "stupid" not even with duct tape or WD40.

**Richrail** · 7th February 15, 09:51 AM

I went to the FB page and liked the comments.

**Norbo** · 7th February 15, 09:58 AM

Ridicules . If that was me id have made such a Sean they would have ether seated us or had to call the cops . Its cloths like any other, so if an lady came in wearing an Indian sari, normal cloths in India but not in the U.S would she be turned away. I cant tell you haw angry I would have been if that was me .

**cizinec** · 7th February 15, 10:02 AM

I appreciate the responses. I posted a review on Friendface (aka Facebook). I have a number of noms de internet, but if you look at the reviews, mine will be obvious. In reading others' reviews, I noticed where people were denied service for things outside their control (one was told a wheelchair wasn't safe in their pub, a clear violation of both state and federal laws). All in all, this has been an eye opening experience. For many years, people of a certain race or religious persuasions were not allowed into restaurants here in Oklahoma, including my own grandmother. I could have gone home and put on some jeans and walked right back in. Those folks couldn't. It's also a reminder of a time long ago when kilts were banned in the Dress Act.

I walk away from this with a much better, although extremely limited, understanding of what others must have been facing for years . . . and I need to get a tough kilt to do work in. I feel ashamed to be wearing pants right now.

**Liam** · 7th February 15, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by cessna152towser

The Union Jack is the flag of the United Kingdom.
The Saltire is the flag of Scotland which is the nation which the kilt is usually associated with.
There is ongoing heated debate over here as to what extent if any Scotland will remain associated with the United Kingdom in the coming years. I'm sorry if you got caught up in this argument but it may well explain why kilts are not currently being permitted in a British pub which flies the Union Jack.
Rule 5 prohibits us from discussing the politics as to whether Scotland should or should not be part of the United Kingdom so I will leave it at that and not open a can of worms.

If my recall of my grade school history is correct, the Union Jack is composed of England's red St. George's cross, Scotland's white St. Andrew's saltire and Ireland's red St. Patrick's saltire. As part of the Commonwealth many Canadians fought under this flag during WW 1.

**Father Bill** · 7th February 15, 10:21 AM

Can't find yours on their page, Cizinec.

**cessna152towser** · 7th February 15, 10:28 AM

As part of the Commonwealth many Canadians fought under this flag during WW 1.

Yes. Part of our joint history. That's why we hoist the Union Jack at the air museum when we are open.
Just like you will see the Maple Leaf flown in Canada and the Saltire flown in Scotland yet we all have respect for the Union Jack.