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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir William View Post
    But, I agree with figheadair, that for the most part in the tactics of the 17th-19th centuries did not require camouflaged kit, so the comments supposedly made about tartan being used as camouflage was probably meant to be derogatory, not complimentary.
    The OP's question, though, wasn't about military uniforms or tactics. It was about hunting/stalking, sleeping in the open, and hiding. Not by uniformed soldiers, but by average civilian Highlanders.

    I would tend to think that camouflage would be a natural benefit of tartans made with natural dyes. The Highlands do have a lot of colour in certain times of the year, and even bright tartans might blend in. As to whether they purposefully made their tartans with this in mind, though, I wot not.

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    Was it only the French and British armies that fought in that manner or was it pretty universal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    The OP's question, though, wasn't about military uniforms or tactics. It was about hunting/stalking, sleeping in the open, and hiding. Not by uniformed soldiers, but by average civilian Highlanders.

    I would tend to think that camouflage would be a natural benefit of tartans made with natural dyes. The Highlands do have a lot of colour in certain times of the year, and even bright tartans might blend in. As to whether they purposefully made their tartans with this in mind, though, I wot not.
    I've read and saw in a documentary that they'd use their tartans to hide from British troops as well as hunting.

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    This is the documentary. It talks about the plaid at about the 8:15 minute mark.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4eHdueekU

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    I am trying to find the study, done a few years ago on effective camo patterns. It turned out that larger blocks with strong contrast, to break up patterns, was quite effective even in bright colors. IIRC, Loud MacLeod tartan turned out to be better camo at over 100 meters than the then current US Army digital camo with small blocks of low contrast green brown and grey. The human eye and brain is programmed to see certain patterns, such as human shapes, and camo has to break up that pattern.
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    I am not getting into camouflage or not, historical or not. I do dislike the idea that pre-modern dyes were drab as this is proven to be a false statement. Certainly drab colours can be produced, as can bright.

    This all said... here is a fun anecdote. When I was in college, our dorm went "paint-balling." One chap from 3rd floor was wearing a Hawaiian shirt, which most folks found to be quite the laugh. Their laughing stopped when they found that he was the best camouflaged man in the woods. The assorted bright colors, in their odd formation, created a nice break up of his body shape and surprisingly blended in quite well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaacW View Post
    I am not getting into camouflage or not, historical or not.
    Ahhhh man, it could be a reenactment of The Second Librarian War, and doing it here, about as appropriate as reenacting Dettingen in Indiana! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsaacW View Post
    I am not getting into camouflage or not, historical or not. I do dislike the idea that pre-modern dyes were drab as this is proven to be a false statement. Certainly drab colours can be produced, as can bright.

    This all said... here is a fun anecdote. When I was in college, our dorm went "paint-balling." One chap from 3rd floor was wearing a Hawaiian shirt, which most folks found to be quite the laugh. Their laughing stopped when they found that he was the best camouflaged man in the woods. The assorted bright colors, in their odd formation, created a nice break up of his body shape and surprisingly blended in quite well.
    Regarding bright colours, depending the foliage you are hiding in wearing all drab might not be good. In Scotch Broom (which i think may be the same plant as Gorse) in full yellow bloom or in Heather is full purples, color might be a good idea.

    Much of the fabric of a Highlander's great kilt would be bunched up (esp. in cold weather) which would break up a human outline.

    Also, this theory may just boil down to a plaid garment is better than the bright red of the British Army uniform (as others have pointed out).
    Ok, I'm done beating a dead horse. Or, horses.

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    My opinion of the tartan / camouflage discussion is.

    1, When you dyed your wool, you used the materials around you to produce the dyes. Therefore if you are in your home area your dyed wool will match the surrounding scenery whether bright or not ( for the most part ). It's that time of year at the moment SWMBO is busy collecting for her weaving group....

    2, Highlanders and come to that everyone else outside the big towns and cities will have known about camouflage and concealment, hunting was part of the way of life. ( Even if the laird didn't think so)

    3, Warfare of the period was roughly the same throughout Europe, big troops of men marching up to formal battles. However local military enforcement against local "rebels" ( and the reverse ) would be more like guerrilla tactics.

    4, Loose cloth as in a feileadh mor, will break up the human shape whatever the colour.

    5 The red coats were not the scarlet most people think of until 1881, but a much duller red madder colour.
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    Tartan in general will disrupt the silhouette of a person and provide some camouflage if the color scheme matches the outdoor setting. Tartan has been used by New England hunters for a very long time with this purpose in mind. The classic example is the Mackinaw jacket. Bear in mind that for historical military tactics, the muted color scheme would be necessary, but for deer hunting, bright colors of almost any shade except blue would work. Deer can see blue and this color “pops” in their vision, but they can’t discriminate what for people are other very vivid shades in the woodlands: red, orange, saffron, and so on.

    Waterfowl are another matter entirely. They see very well and you need every tool at your disposal to remain undetected. This is why turkey hunters will frequently disappear into facial paint and ghillie suits whereas buck hunters will wear blaze orange hats and black/orange camouflage.

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