Anniversary of Glencoe, Febuary 13. 1692.

[GrymJack]

There is a lot of interesting history in this thread and I thank all who contributed their part. Since I have both Campbell and MacDonald (Reynolds/Ranald) ancestry I reckon I will have to avoid starting a feud with either side.

[CollinMacD]

There is a lot of interesting history in this thread and I thank all who contributed their part. Since I have both Campbell and MacDonald (Reynolds/Ranald) ancestry I reckon I will have to avoid starting a feud with either side.

Would love to come to your Thanksgiving Dinners, like the Hatfields and McCoys... Just don't drink too much around a Campbell

[Allan Thomson]

I think those people who believe that the Massacre of Glencoe was committed by Clan Campbell need to go away and read properly about an event they claim is important to them. It wasn't Clan Campbell but a regiment which happened to have a Campbell as the Colonel & some Campbell's in it.

No doubt if we dig around Clan McDonald has historical indignities they have carried out against others and suffered worse.

As already said by one poster, reading Prebble's history is a good start.

[Macseobang]

I think those people who believe that the Massacre of Glencoe was committed by Clan Campbell need to go away and read properly about an event they claim is important to them. It wasn't Clan Campbell but a regiment which happened to have a Campbell as the Colonel & some Campbell's in it.

No doubt if we dig around Clan McDonald has historical indignities they have carried out against others and suffered worse.

As already said by one poster, reading Prebble's history is a good start.

This seems like an unnecessary slight. If you are not aware, the constant jabs between Clan Donald and Clan Campbell nowadays are somewhat of a joke on both sides. It's true that anyone who would hold a true grudge towards others just because of their last name should learn more about the history, but to say that worse things have happened by the hands of Clan Donald with no actual historical proof is unfounded. This is about a well documented tragedy, not just about who is at fault. Members of Clan Donald don't curse the Campbell name at Glencoe memorials, they just give remembrance.

[Allan Thomson]

Indeed, I am well aware of the jokey nature, however the simple factor remains that Clan Campbell is made the scapegoat for the actions of a regiment. It would be like Iraqi POW's claiming everyone with certain surnames is responsible for 5he humiliating treatment doled out by a few transgressors...

And some people do have a psychotic animosity towards Clan Campbell on the basis of the myth.

[Macseobang]

Indeed, I am well aware of the jokey nature, however the simple factor remains that Clan Campbell is made the scapegoat for the actions of a regiment. It would be like Iraqi POW's claiming everyone with certain surnames is responsible for 5he humiliating treatment doled out by a few transgressors...

And some people do have a psychotic animosity towards Clan Campbell on the basis of the myth.

There will always be a minority group of people with radical beliefs. Feel free to lash out at them specifically, but some of your comments seem to suggest that this belief is commonplace or that a large number of members of Clan Donald have this "psychotic animosity" which I don't believe to be true. In fact, I've never met anyone firsthand who felt that way. Even if you have met people like that, don't judge a whole group based on the actions of a few. Just like with the Campbells

[Allan Thomson]

This seems like an unnecessary slight. If you are not aware, the constant jabs between Clan Donald and Clan Campbell nowadays are somewhat of a joke on both sides. It's true that anyone who would hold a true grudge towards others just because of their last name should learn more about the history, but to say that worse things have happened by the hands of Clan Donald with no actual historical proof is unfounded. This is about a well documented tragedy, not just about who is at fault. Members of Clan Donald don't curse the Campbell name at Glencoe memorials, they just give remembrance.

You didn't understand what I said correctly...

My point was that doubtless Clan McDonald have dealt indignities to others, which have been missed in the popular narritive. Stop believing your clan is any whiter or righter than any other.

At the end of the day every Highland Clan (& come to think of it Border when thry had their lawless times) was reiving, murdering & pursuing blood fueds & generally terrorising any individual they percieved as fair game by stripping them of their livelyhood and possessions.

I also said they had suffered worse as already been pointed out, but if you need documentation I suggest one enjoyable, albeit secondary source is Tales of the Scottish Highlands.

Funnily enough there's also evidence to show that Clan Campbell respected and gave hospitality to even those who asked for sanctuary after perpetuating wrongs against them.

The issue with blaming a clan for the actions of a regiment, albeit jokingly is that there is a huge pool of idiots out there for who films & fictionalised books, or popular history.is their only source (including 'taking in jokes' seriously) who continue to believe that it was a clan Campbell action & I came across a couple of eejits who were quiet psychotic about it (one of them was also obviously so delusional as to believe himself to be Lord Lyon as he thought he was entitled to question my right to wear the Kilt my Grandfather had woven & Kilted for him... ;) ).

Clan Campbell has undeservedly been cast as a folk demon off the back of lies, half truths and petty jealousy about the fact it's chiefs were astute operators who knew exactly which way to jump, getting it wrong only on one occasion).

Funny I've not spotted any threads on recalling the persecution & attrocities perpetuated on Covenantors by popular 'Folk Heroes' like Bonny Dundee....

There's two sides to every story.

[FossilHunter]

You didn't understand what I said correctly...

My point was that doubtless Clan McDonald have dealt indignities to others, which have been missed in the popular narritive. Stop believing your clan is any whiter or righter than any other.

I don't believe that anyone in this thread has made that claim.

The OP was simply a memorial for the massacre and every MacDonald here has acknowledged the moral failings of our own clan's past. You're the only one who seems to be taking it personally.

[Macseobang]

You didn't understand what I said correctly...

My point was that doubtless Clan McDonald have dealt indignities to others, which have been missed in the popular narritive. Stop believing your clan is any whiter or righter than any other.

At the end of the day every Highland Clan (& come to think of it Border when thry had their lawless times) was reiving, murdering & pursuing blood fueds & generally terrorising any individual they percieved as fair game by stripping them of their livelyhood and possessions.

I also said they had suffered worse as already been pointed out, but if you need documentation I suggest one enjoyable, albeit secondary source is Tales of the Scottish Highlands.

Funnily enough there's also evidence to show that Clan Campbell respected and gave hospitality to even those who asked for sanctuary after perpetuating wrongs against them.

The issue with blaming a clan for the actions of a regiment, albeit jokingly is that there is a huge pool of idiots out there for who films & fictionalised books, or popular history.is their only source (including 'taking in jokes' seriously) who continue to believe that it was a clan Campbell action & I came across a couple of eejits who were quiet psychotic about it (one of them was also obviously so delusional as to believe himself to be Lord Lyon as he thought he was entitled to question my right to wear the Kilt my Grandfather had woven & Kilted for him... ;) ).

Clan Campbell has undeservedly been cast as a folk demon off the back of lies, half truths and petty jealousy about the fact it's chiefs were astute operators who knew exactly which way to jump, getting it wrong only on one occasion).

Funny I've not spotted any threads on recalling the persecution & attrocities perpetuated on Covenantors by popular 'Folk Heroes' like Bonny Dundee....

There's two sides to every story.

I really don't see that there is any miscommunication is here as you are repeating yourself quite a bit. I'm not denying there were other atrocities happening in Clan times, but my point is: why bring it up on a forum post about this tragedy. Its like blaming the victims. Start your own post about how you hate the way Campbells are treated. The only thing that you said that I don't understand is whatever "whiter and righter" means (outdated term?). I see what your getting at, but I never once said that "my clan is so great and would never commit atrocities" I just said 1: why bring it up without citing your sources, and 2: don't insinuate that everybody hates the Campbells over a false story.

There may be a large pool of "eejits" who take the false narrative and the joking too seriously, but in the grand scheme they are still in the minority like I said before. Personal anecdotes aren't statistics. Also, I tried to point it out before, but you keep calling it Clan McDonald. That's not the name of the clan.

[Allan Thomson]

It's not about blaming the victims, it's about pointing out that when discussing an event which has a misapportioned blame & lots of untrue myths surrounding it that recognition be given to the truth of the matter.

At the very least I'm saying let's view this in the context of the time & not according to our modern values & the popular narrative on the matter.

You stated that I said worse things had happened at the hand of Clan Donald. That implied to me that you hadn't really understood what I had said. Hence my need to reassert what I actually said (or as you put it repeating myself).

Whiter than white has nothing to do with racial terms if that's what you are suggesting, it just means in terms of how an individuals level of 'sin' was judged. It's a common enough expression & as far as I was aware even in this PC timevwhere we are told we should take offence at everything there's not many objections to the use of the phrase....