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23rd June 21, 05:44 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by figheadair
Here's another of their fantasy images in which the (plain) castellated hose are clear. I can't haven't worked out what the source for this one was but it has elements of Waitt's Champion and Piper to the Laird of Grant.

Images like this put me in mind of paintings I have seen of the 15th and 16th century European court dress. (King Henry VIII and earlier). The leg coverings would be the main thing making it a bit different, since in the court dress paintings, they appear to be wearing tight-fitting leggings going all the way up (would they be called trews?) rather than the knee-length socks we call kilt hose.
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Last edited by EagleJCS; 23rd June 21 at 10:55 AM.
John
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23rd June 21, 09:56 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by EagleJCS
Images like this put me in mind of paintings I have seen of the 13th and 14th century European court dress. (King Henry VIII and earlier). The leg coverings would be the main thing making it a bit different, since in the court dress paintings, they appear to be wearing tight-fitting leggings going all the way up (would they be called trews?) rather than the knee-length socks we call kilt hose.
Nothing else to add to the conversation.
Sorry to continue derailing the kilt hose discussion. Just let me know if it's annoying.
The terms vary by time and place, but the full-length tight-fitting leggings are often called "chauses/chausses" in the Middle Ages on the Continent; or just some variation on "hose" (e.g., Dutch: hoos). They are worn up through the English Renaissance (Henry VIII is 16th Century); Shakespeare seems to have called them just "hose". (Fun fact: since there wasn't much clingy, stretchy material in those days, the chauses were held up by tying them to your underwear.)
The term "trews" is a little confusing. Pre-Seventeenth Century, they seem more likely to be baggy (at least from waist to knee; below that they might be bound tighter), then they appear to have really slimmed down by the time they become Highland-wear. As far as I know, trews were always full trousers, not leggings.
Historico-linguistic aside: According to Merriam Webster - and despite appearances - "chauses" and "hose" have completely different derivations. The former is from the Latin for heel (which morphed into a word for shoe, which morphed ...); the latter from Old English / Gemanic for ... legging.
When in doubt, end with a jig. - Robin McCauley
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23rd June 21, 10:58 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by Touchstone
Sorry to continue derailing the kilt hose discussion. Just let me know if it's annoying.
The terms vary by time and place, but the full-length tight-fitting leggings are often called "chauses/chausses" in the Middle Ages on the Continent; or just some variation on "hose" (e.g., Dutch: hoos). They are worn up through the English Renaissance (Henry VIII is 16th Century);
Ooops. Corrected my previous post. I sometimes get confused with counting back the centuries (1900's = 20th century, etc.), especially when I'm trying to do it before my first cup of coffee.
John
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23rd June 21, 01:21 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by EagleJCS
Ooops.  Corrected my previous post. I sometimes get confused with counting back the centuries (1900's = 20th century, etc.), especially when I'm trying to do it before my first cup of coffee. 
Me too.
When in doubt, end with a jig. - Robin McCauley
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24th June 21, 05:02 PM
#5
 Originally Posted by EagleJCS
Images like this put me in mind of paintings I have seen of the 15th and 16th century European court dress. (King Henry VIII and earlier).
I think that's exactly it, the Allen Brothers were taking images of non-Highland court dress they had seen, and incongruously applied those styles to Highland Dress.
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