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    Quote Originally Posted by WildThistles View Post
    Perhaps the pipes have travelled less easily than the fiddle due to the large amount of reeds required for the instrument? I had a friend who wanted to get into piping with an old one his family had, but his largest barrier was the price of the reeds.
    In the old days I think it was more common for pipers to make their own reeds.

    In the 1980s we had a pipe band here in Los Angeles that had three reedmakers in it! That's quite rare nowadays. I did play for a couple years in a pipe band that was led by a super piper who is also an excellent reedmaker. It made a huge difference in the quality of the band's sound.

    For sure a Scottish piper immigrating to Cape Breton Island or North Carolina a couple hundred years ago would have to make his own reeds, and make his own bags too.

    Would a fiddler be able to make his own strings? I never thought about it.

    The flute travels better than either pipes or fiddle! No reeds, no bags, no strings.
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    By the way what sort of flute do you play?

    When I got into Irish fluteplaying (around 1977) all the Irish guys played on vintage wooden flutes.

    These were flutes made for "classical" or orchestral use.

    Irish players preferred London-made flutes from between around 1830 and 1880.

    These generally had 8 keys, either block-mounted or pin-mounted, giving a full chromatic scale of three octaves.

    But the traditional Irish players usually only played the six open holes (the same six holes an Irish whistle has) and would often remove the keys and fill the holes.

    In the 1970s and 1980s when there was a huge increase in the number of people taking up Irish flute it became obvious that there weren't enough antique flutes to go around. So a new species of flute was born, a flute specifically made for Irish traditional music.

    These neo "Irish flutes" were/are usually copied from great-playing originals, but modified somewhat to favour the lower range because trad Irish fluteplayers generally don't play up in the 3rd octave.

    They're often made keyless, though keys can be ordered.

    There have been a small number of trad Irish fluters over the years who have used the Boehm flute, either in silver or in wood. So if somebody already plays Boehm flute they don't have to go out and buy an "Irish flute" in order to play Irish flute music.

    Probably the most well-known trad Irish Boehm-flute player is Joanie Madden. Here she is playing with Conal O Grada.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ76XyoN000
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    By the way what sort of flute do you play?

    When I got into Irish fluteplaying (around 1977) all the Irish guys played on vintage wooden flutes.

    These were flutes made for "classical" or orchestral use.

    Irish players preferred London-made flutes from between around 1830 and 1880.

    These generally had 8 keys, either block-mounted or pin-mounted, giving a full chromatic scale of three octaves.

    But the traditional Irish players usually only played the six open holes (the same six holes an Irish whistle has) and would often remove the keys and fill the holes.

    In the 1970s and 1980s when there was a huge increase in the number of people taking up Irish flute it became obvious that there weren't enough antique flutes to go around. So a new species of flute was born, a flute specifically made for Irish traditional music.

    These neo "Irish flutes" were/are usually copied from great-playing originals, but modified somewhat to favour the lower range because trad Irish fluteplayers generally don't play up in the 3rd octave.

    They're often made keyless, though keys can be ordered.

    There have been a small number of trad Irish fluters over the years who have used the Boehm flute, either in silver or in wood. So if somebody already plays Boehm flute they don't have to go out and buy an "Irish flute" in order to play Irish flute music.

    Probably the most well-known trad Irish Boehm-flute player is Joanie Madden. Here she is playing with Conal O Grada.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ76XyoN000
    Looking it up, my flute seems to be similar to the Boehm flute? It's silver in coloration, and keyed, allowing for a bit over a three octave range from my experience, though I've never had much need to push even further above, or below, the staff. It's three pieces, with a detachable foot and head joint, and is the type typically found in American band classrooms. Would that be "classical"? I'm not too familiar with the terminology, but I largely played it in concert band and marching band settings.

    This is a really valuable overview, and I really do appreciate the resources for how people utilized each kind of fluit. Admittedly, I do enjoy the middle and lower octave the most, so that's exciting to hear that the same was largely favored by traditional players. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the full range of flutes that can be made, but the alto and base (and contrabase and so on) flutes are truly beautiful instruments with beautiful sound. There are orchestras that are purely made out of flute players (fluters), covering a full range of notes, between the subcontrabass and the piccolo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Richard View Post
    In the old days I think it was more common for pipers to make their own reeds.

    In the 1980s we had a pipe band here in Los Angeles that had three reedmakers in it! That's quite rare nowadays. I did play for a couple years in a pipe band that was led by a super piper who is also an excellent reedmaker. It made a huge difference in the quality of the band's sound.

    For sure a Scottish piper immigrating to Cape Breton Island or North Carolina a couple hundred years ago would have to make his own reeds, and make his own bags too.

    Would a fiddler be able to make his own strings? I never thought about it.

    The flute travels better than either pipes or fiddle! No reeds, no bags, no strings.
    Oh wow! I've never heard of people making their own reeds, but that must be a much more accessible way of access (once you are passable at the craft at least). Looking up the violin, at least modern violins, seem to have a variety of materials as their strings. I'm not sure if this is standard, or the historical way it has been. An acquaintance of mine from the Appalachian region once told me that many instruments out there aren't necessarily made in the traditional ways either, so people very possibly could have found their own ways to supply their fiddles strings. I'm unsure of the details though, definitely a thing to ask around about if the chance ever comes up.

    And that is true! It's also quite light, so easy to transport. I wonder the reasons for its spread being so much less than the pipes or the fiddle considering.

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