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    guid oan ya!

    the ainly thing ai'll disagree wi' is the tearm "Scottish English" instead o' "Scots"..


    "Scots" is a weel recognised language in it's ain richt.

    walcome tae the rabble!

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    Moved from Kilt Board Newbie to Off Topic.

    Before this one heads off in the wrong direction (and why would I ever think that??), we also need to bear in mind those who proudly wear the kilt that really don't care to learn about Scotland's people, history and culture. Simply stated, understanding the Scots is not a prerequisite to wearing a kilt with pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1 View Post
    ,.... Simply stated, understanding the Scots is not a prerequisite to wearing a kilt with pride.
    aye- but malt whisky IS a prerequisite tae understandin' the Scots...








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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1 View Post
    Moved from Kilt Board Newbie to Off Topic.

    Before this one heads off in the wrong direction (and why would I ever think that??), we also need to bear in mind those who proudly wear the kilt that really don't care to learn about Scotland's people, history and culture. Simply stated, understanding the Scots is not a prerequisite to wearing a kilt with pride.
    They are those that wear the kilt to tie in with heritage just as many that wear it simply for the look ,feel or liking of it.With that said people need to understand and realize many people see the kilt and automatically think Scotland.The thing I like about xmarks is I can read a thread or not just like I can leave a post or not .I dont remember the post saying you had to be a scot to wear the kilt and be proud anywhere in it.I thought it was about the language of the Scots and the variations of that language over time and area.I really do not see how it could offend anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pour1Malt View Post
    guid oan ya!

    the ainly thing ai'll disagree wi' is the tearm "Scottish English" instead o' "Scots"..


    "Scots" is a weel recognised language in it's ain richt.

    I've also seen & heard the term "Inglis" used to describe the Scots language, especially in medieval and early modern documents.

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    I agree Jock however if you travel over this fair land there is so much variation its impossible to come up with a "standard" for Scots English, also in the north of England there are many words and phrases that are common to both peoples "bonnie" "nay" "geet" "thy" are all claimed by Lancashire folk as their own, Id love to see more research into the distinct way that folk speak, regional dialects are dying and merging all the time, which is a shame, but languages constatly evolve all the time, I was recently in Wales and the Welsh are passionate about the Welsh language-even non Welsh speakers are passionate that signs are bi lingual, as far as "scottish" English goes its simply English by any other name, English is a language made up of words from other languages anyway and all the hullabaloo about "preserving" it is nonsense - its a foreign language to this country which weve adapted to suit, Id prefer to see resources and effort made into preserving and increasing awareness of scottish Gaelic. I know there are some sources that claim that Scottish Engish is a language of its own, Pleople aer free to belive that if they wish and its a debate that will run and run, The welsh have their own version of Englaish as well but choose to promote Welsh, without getting political I hope Salmond wiil address this.

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    From the Highlands of North Atlanta Georgia USA!

    I'll have to say that drinking single malt while wearing the kilt is a very enjoyable experience.

    On second thought drinking single malt in any attire is an enjoyable experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander_Daz View Post
    as far as "scottish" English goes its simply English by any other name, English is a language made up of words from other languages anyway and all the hullabaloo about "preserving" it is nonsense - its a foreign language to this country which weve adapted to suit, Id prefer to see resources and effort made into preserving and increasing awareness of scottish Gaelic.
    There is no such thing as the "one" Scottish tongue. Gaelic itself came to Scotland in what, about the fifth century, correct? English (Inglis) came in a few centuries later (about the eighth, I believe). So yes, one is slightly more recent than the other, but sitting here in the year 2007, does it really matter if one language has been in Scotland for 1600 years and the other for only 1300 years?

    Gaelic used to be spoken in Scotland over a much broader area than it is today, to be sure -- just look at a Scottish map and see all the place names with Gaelic roots in "non-Gaelic" areas and that will show you how wide spread it once was. But even then, there are some regions of Scotland in the borders especially where Gaelic was never spoken. To the people whose anscestry is there, Gaelic is the foreign language. Scots is the "Mither Tongue."

    Scotland has a very unique cultural and ethnic mix. The Scottish people have been cobbled together from Pict and Gael, Anglo-Norman and Norse, and this is reflected in their language as well as their culture.

    I think it all needs to be honored.

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    Nice! I love to read stuff like this!

    I noticed many scottish...and even gaelic...words, and the way Scots pronounce english words come close to my language...Dutch.

    When I talk to a friend from Liverpool I often don't have a clue what she's saying (sorry Nicole! ), but I never had any problems understanding Scottish people.

    Welcome to the funny farm!

    Robin

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