The Frugal Corner?

[PiobBear]

The bagpipes we sell are excellent for the beginner or the person that wants to give playing the pipes a try. The most expensive pipes we have are around $135...so for the person that is interested in learning, these are a great buy and at a price that would make any Scot smile...

for a beginner that is trying to learn fingering and is just starting out..they are great pipes.

"Great pipes"...at $135.00. I can't even begin to count the number of wanna-be pipers I've met who have been conned into buying Pakistani crap pipes from people like you only to discover that they've been cheated out of their money on a trash set that couldn't even be played without an additional $300-$400 worth of bags, reeds, and chanters, and even then can't be tuned and still wouldn't be worth the sum of it's parts. The lowest retail I would ever point an aspiring student towards would be P2 Dunbars at $855.00 US. Learning to play the pipes is difficult enough on a rock-steady quality set, and virtually impossible on a $135.00 **** set of crap! But then, if you know anything about your product and your market, you already know that, don't you?

You sir are either a cheat and a liar, or an incompetent that hasn't the least friggin' clue about the products he sells. Yeah; given the opportunity, I'd be more than happy to look you in the eye and repeat that to your face.

[Kilted-Marine]

"Great pipes"...at $135.00. I can't even begin to count the number of wanna-be pipers I've met who have been conned into buying Pakistani crap pipes from people like you only to discover that they've been cheated out of their money on a trash set that couldn't even be played without an additional $300-$400 worth of bags, reeds, and chanters, and even then can't be tuned and still wouldn't be worth the sum of it's parts. The lowest retail I would ever point an aspiring student towards would be P2 Dunbars at $855.00 US. Learning to play the pipes is difficult enough on a rock-steady quality set, and virtually impossible on a $135.00 **** set of crap! But then, if you know anything about your product and your market, you already know that, don't you?

You sir are either a cheat and a liar, or an incompetent that hasn't the least friggin' clue about the products he sells. Yeah; given the opportunity, I'd be more than happy to look you in the eye and repeat that to your face.

Thank you sir for the kind words. I stand by my assertion. These are good pipes for beginners who wantsto find out if bagpipes might be something they are interested in or even as a set for instructors for students and at a price under $125 the worse case would be they would end up being a great addition to put up over the fireplace. Out of the 25 or so sets we have sold 1 has been returned with problems, eveybody else has left good comments. We have never had to sell more products to FIX issues. Again i believe for the money (not much more then a tank of gas) a person can get a nice pair of bagpipes that they won't feel to bad about tossing into the closet beside a pile of work out equiptment after they decide bagpies are not for them.Stop by our booth at the Minnesota Highland Games and We can have a drink together

Thank you and have a great day
Mark

[keepoffgrass]

Thank you sir for the kind words. I stand by my assertion. These are good pipes for beginners who wantsto find out if bagpipes might be something they are interested in or even as a set for instructors for students and at a price under $125 the worse case would be they would end up being a great addition to put up over the fireplace. Out of the 25 or so sets we have sold 1 has been returned with problems, eveybody else has left good comments. We have never had to sell more products to FIX issues. Again i believe for the money (not much more then a tank of gas) a person can get a nice pair of bagpipes that they won't feel to bad about tossing into the closet beside a pile of work out equiptment after they decide bagpies are not for them.Stop by our booth at the Minnesota Highland Games and We can have a drink together

Thank you and have a great day
Mark

Just my two cents here, but... I think Marks being pretty cool about all this, hes even willing to send a set out for review. The bottom line is however, that most people don't have or aren't willing to shell out a grand on a set of pipes if they're thinking about learning to play. I understand that the true pipers in here have a problem with cheat pipes, but someone who just wants a set a pipes to "play with" or check out isn't likely gunna shell out $800+ on something he or she might not ever seriously get into. And the majority of people in here, or any where for that matter are going to fit into that category. I curious what the ratio of "serious pipers" to people thinking it would be cool to have a set of bag pipes is in here, about a 1 in every hundred or so? its cool you're passionate guys, but be realistic. most people buying these pipes aren't ever going to be a great piper, or have any aspirations of the such. they just want a cheap set of pipes to play with

[Arlen]

Learning to play the pipes is difficult enough on a rock-steady quality set, and virtually impossible on a $135.00 **** set of crap!
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I'm just going to make one request in all of this, and PiobBear here is just one example in many.
Can I request that people stop using the term ****.
i grew up with a lot of people whose parents were Pakistani but the children were Scottish through and through.
To me, **** is a very derogatory term that I heard enough of seeing my friends being abused as I was growing up.

Yes, some companies in Pakistan there produce cheap stuff and sell it to the unaware. So does almost every country in the world.
Some companies in Scotland produce dreadful, cheap Whisky and market it to the U.S and Canada as quality Scotch.

[cloves]

Can I request that people stop using the term ****.
To me, **** is a very derogatory term that I heard enough of seeing my friends being abused as I was growing up.

Thank goodness somebody finally brought that up. Good on ya Arlen. I've always found it distasteful as well.