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    Steve's instructions are specifically for a Freedom Kilt. The instructions aren't, in fact, what a traditional kiltmaker would use. We don't measure slope - instead, we just use one waist measurement, one hip measurement, and a length measurement. No criticism intended!! It's just that Steve's kilts are shaped a bit differently from the traditional wool kilt.

    Anyone making a trad kilt will assume that you will wear your kilt at your true waist, where a trad kilt is supposed to be worn, not under a belly. The kiltmaker will then add a 2" rise so that the top of the kilt is actually 2" above the true waist.

    If you were to measure under the belly, the kilt would be too small. And, if you measure the length properly and then _wear_ the kilt under the belly, it will be too long.

    Most men with a bit of a corporation wear their pants under their bellies, and the waist size is not an accurate reflection of what circumference they need for kilts.

    Cheers,

    B

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb T. View Post
    Steve's instructions are specifically for a Freedom Kilt. The instructions aren't, in fact, what a traditional kiltmaker would use. We don't measure slope - instead, we just use one waist measurement, one hip measurement, and a length measurement. No criticism intended!! It's just that Steve's kilts are shaped a bit differently from the traditional wool kilt.

    Anyone making a trad kilt will assume that you will wear your kilt at your true waist, where a trad kilt is supposed to be worn, not under a belly. The kiltmaker will then add a 2" rise so that the top of the kilt is actually 2" above the true waist.

    B
    I'm sorry if my citing Steve's system was in any way misleading. I just think that it pointed out the distinction between the waist size of one's pants and the point at which one measures their true waist. As I understood it, the guy in question was having a hard time accepting the difference between his pants size and what the measurement was at his true waist. I can see where Steve's distinctions between low, mid and high waist measurements might muddy the water a bit but I figgered that the guy would get the point that he had to measure at the high point and not around his hips...and consequently under the "beer belly".

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    AA

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    Many clothing companies use what is known as vanity sizing. This means that they list the size two sizes too small so that you think you are a smaller size. Ask any woman about this and she will tell you how hard it is to know the actual size of clothing. Blue jean companies are famous for this vanity sizing.

    Barb is absolutely correct! My video was made specifically for my style of kilt. And it is true that you should use the measuring system of your kiltmaker. Don't cheat. Don't suck-in.

    However I talk in the video about not sending your trouser size to your kiltmaker. I also mention one method for measuring for what I call "Gentlemen of substance. I show how wearing the kilt at your natural waist can be very slimming. So for a general overview of measuring just the waist and hip your friend may find the video helpful.

    It is not uncommon for first time kilt buyers to be shocked when they are first measured. Your friend has probably never been measured for custom clothing before so he has only his listed trouser size to go on. We in the business are used to the shock and try to soften the blow as best we can. Be understanding and tell your friend about vanity sizing.
    Steve Ashton
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    Skype (webcam enabled) thewizardofbc
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    Swish + Swagger = Swoon.

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    Get your friend to browse XMarks for this thread and others. He doesn't need to sign up but may end up doing just that after all the info floating around.

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