A call to regulate the term "kilt"

[ardchoille]

I agree totally. A garment that is machine-made of other than true tartan, and not custom made to the wearer's measurements, is not a kilt. Instead of using the word "kilt", they should use the word "garment". Any kilt is also a garment.. but any garment is not always a kilt regardless of how you dress it up. There is simply no comparison between a Rolls Royce and a Volkswagen Beetle.

[ccga3359]

I agree totally. A garment that is machine-made of other than true tartan, and not custom made to the wearer's measurements, is not a kilt. Instead of using the word "kilt", they should use the word "garment". Any kilt is also a garment.. but any garment is not always a kilt regardless of how you dress it up. There is simply no comparison between a Rolls Royce and a Volkswagen Beetle.

But it also stated that it had to be made in Scotland to be called a kilt. What about our Newsome or Tewkesbury? They would be merely handsewn garments? Although they would be of no less quality. This is the first step of Kilt Police (sit down Panache!).

On a lighter side, at one time Rolls Royce was owned by Volkswagen. instead let's compare the VW beetle to a Porsche 356...

[ardchoille]

But it also stated that it had to be made in Scotland to be called a kilt. What about our Newsome or Tewkesbury? They would be merely handsewn garments?

Newsome - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a kilt.
Tewksbury - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a kilt.

On a lighter side, at one time Rolls Royce was owned by Volkswagen. instead let's compare the VW beetle to a Porsche 356...

It matters not who owns it (ownership is irrelevant).. I am referring to the quality of the finished product.

[ccga3359]

Newsome - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a kilt.
Tewksbury - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a kilt.

And, just as Parma ham must come from Parma, bubbly is mere fizz unless it was made in the French region of Champagne and whisky is protected by an internationally recognised trademark, so, some argue, the time has come for legislation to ensure only Highland dress made in Scotland to exacting standards should dare to bear the official title "kilt".

"Look at malt whisky, Parma ham and other items that are branded through where they are produced. They have a clear requirement that they meet a certain standard. You can't make whisky in England and sell it as the real thing - it has to be made in Scotland, that is highly protected and rightly so.

Ergo according to the owner of the quote's ideas:
Newsome - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a garment.
Tewksbury - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a garment.


As to the cars just because a Rolls has hand formed aluminum panels and burled walnut dash does not mean higher quality*. Having owned VW's it was a dependable car that required little maintenance and was cheap to run. The highest recorded mileage was 1,000,000 kms on the original engine. One could buy how many Beetles for the price of one RR? Price alone, country of manufacturer should ever be an indication of quality. Likewise by country of origin, Germany (Karl Benz) not England was regarded as the birth place of the petrol-engined automoble. And where was today's kilt invented? How many report that the modern kilt was actually invented in England, by n Englishman. Imagine the fallout if any kilt not made in England is not considered a kilt?



*With respect to Rollerboy 1975.

[morrison]

That article I believe was way humoring of our affinity to categorize things. It was an excellent jab in the ribs. The Mercedes name on the Mercedes Benz could mean that the automobile mfgr is not truly German, but, a hybrid of a sort because the name Mercedes is a spanish derivative!

Ergo according to the owner of the quote's ideas:
Newsome - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a garment.
Tewksbury - made by hand, of true tartan, to the wearer's measurements.. this is a garment.


As to the cars just because a Rolls has hand formed aluminum panels and burled walnut dash does not mean higher quality*. Having owned VW's it was a dependable car that required little maintenance and was cheap to run. The highest recorded mileage was 1,000,000 kms on the original engine. One could buy how many Beetles for the price of one RR? Price alone, country of manufacturer should ever be an indication of quality. Likewise by country of origin, Germany (Karl Benz) not England was regarded as the birth place of the petrol-engined automoble. And where was today's kilt invented? How many report that the modern kilt was actually invented in England, by n Englishman. Imagine the fallout if any kilt not made in England is not considered a kilt?
*With respect to Rollerboy 1975.

http://www.cyberparent.com/wheels/mercedes.htm

Gottlieb Daimler and Carl Benz were born only 60 miles apart in southern Germany. Daimler was born March 17, 1834. A decade later, on November 25, Carl Benz was born.

Although they grew up with little in common, both boys were fascinated by machines from an early age. Because their approach to building cars was quite different, it is doubtful, though, that they met or even knew what the other was doing.

In 1886, Carl Benz built a motorized tricycle. His first four-wheeler, the Victoria, was built in 1893. The first production car was the 1894 Benz Velo which participated in the first recorded car race, the Paris-Rouen race. In 1895, Benz built his first truck.

In 1886, Gottlieb Daimler literally built a horseless carriage. In 1888 Daimler made a business deal with William Steinway (of piano fame) to produce Daimler's products in the US. From 1904 until a fire in 1907, Steinway produced Mercedes passenger cars, Daimler's light trucks, and his engines on Long Island.

Ironically, history says Daimler, generally considered to be the father of modern automobiles never liked to drive, if, indeed he ever learned to drive. On March 6, 1990, Daimler died, leaving control of his company to his chief engineer Wilhelm Mayback.

By November 22 of that year, Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschat had produced a special car for Emil Jellinek. Jellinek named the car after his ten-year-old daughter Mercedes. Lighter and smaller, the new Mercedes had 35 hp and a top speed of 55 mph!

[Archangel]

I agree totally. A garment that is machine-made of other than true tartan, and not custom made to the wearer's measurements, is not a kilt. Instead of using the word "kilt", they should use the word "garment". Any kilt is also a garment.. but any garment is not always a kilt regardless of how you dress it up. There is simply no comparison between a Rolls Royce and a Volkswagen Beetle.

This a taxonomy problem and we'd have to be taxologists.

Here's what you have done: garment would equal vehicle, rolls and vw are both automobiles, more specifically passenger vehicle. At that point, they are the same thing: passenger vehicle. There needs to be further distinction to separate the two vehicles: one is luxury, the other modest. However, you then have to figure in Mexican or German VWs, Bentley's, etc. You haven't even begun to look at other vehicle or automobile manufacturers.

In the same way, we are talking about an article of clothing, that type is called a skirt, that type is called a kilt. Now somebody want to make a case for subdividing that.

If they get their way, what about R-Kilts' black leather kilt? How would he be able to market that? It's not woven, it's not plaid/tartan, it's not made in Scotland, I'm pretty sure the leather doesn't even come from Scotland. How well could Rob market his product if these people get their way? Rob's Leather Skirts for Men probably isn't going to do much for him.

My answer would be to build consumer awareness, there's a lot more choice than they think out there and there's some cautions, too.

[Kid Cossack]

I agree totally. A garment that is machine-made of other than true tartan, and not custom made to the wearer's measurements, is not a kilt. Instead of using the word "kilt", they should use the word "garment". Any kilt is also a garment.. but any garment is not always a kilt regardless of how you dress it up. There is simply no comparison between a Rolls Royce and a Volkswagen Beetle.

I guess I'd better call Rocky and tell him he needs to rename his shop USA Garments.

Made-to-measure, yes, but machine-sewn (the models I buy, anyway) and why that poly-viscose isn't quite worsted wool.

Nah! Taxonomic issues can get complicated really quickly.