National Trust for Scotland searches for Culloden decendants

[macwilkin]

Hmm.
I already know at least one of my direct ancestors fought for Prince Charlie.
That said, I am dreadfully irritated that they seem to have made such a point that people were fighting for a 'Catholic king.'
Most of the Scots fighting for Prince Charlie were Protestants.


Then again, it is the Scotsman.

Well said, Arlen. The Jacobite army contained quite a few Episcopalians and even some Presbyterians, although there were RC's among the ranks as well.

T.

[Arlen]

Well said, Arlen. The Jacobite army contained quite a few Episcopalians and even some Presbyterians, although there were RC's among the ranks as well.

T.

Thank you.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.

I think what's bothering me more is reading some of the absolute nonsense that people are saying in the comments.
I really need to learn not to ever read the comments on anything online.
Or, you know, just stop ever going to the Scotsman's site for anything whatsoever.

[McClef]

Well I may well be descended from some who saw the Jacobite army as it passed through my home town of Macclesfield on its way to Derby!

[Sheep In Wolf's Clothing]

I do think that it is a great way to get children interested in history. I find that history classes are sadly understressed in schools today (in many parts of the world, mine included).
Sara

[Galician]

Hmm, interesting point. Please let me know if I'm wrong, but I understood that the reason for the whole conflict was that the Laws of Succesion had been changed to exclude his line due to their Catholic faith.

[macwilkin]

Hmm, interesting point. Please let me know if I'm wrong, but I understood that the reason for the whole conflict was that the Laws of Succesion had been changed to exclude his line due to their Catholic faith.

You've got it; the issue of James II, his Catholicism, and more importantly, his son's Catholicism, was one of the key factors in the Glorious Revolution of 1688.

But, in Scotland, some Catholics, Protestants and Dissenters alike had been opposed to the Union of 1707, and saw the Jacobite Rebellions as a way to reverse it.

T.

[McClef]

They were changed following the "Glorious Revolution" of 1688.

James II had converted to Catholicism prior to his accession (and it appears that Charles II had done so on his death bed) and it had not made him popular with his subjects.

When he fled, he had legitimate female Protestant heirs - Mary and Anne who reigned in their turn (Mary was a Queen in her own right and not merely the Consort of William IV). Neither produced living heirs so with the death of Anne the only other child of James II was his son (the Old Pretender) by his second wife, Mary of Modena who had been raised in exile as a Catholic and therefore exlcuded by the Act of Settlement.

To find Protestant heirs they had to work the line back to the sister of Charles I who had married Frederick the Elector Palatine and that led to the Hanovarians and George I succeeded Anne. He could not speak English and brought his mistresses with him having imprisoned his legitimate wife Sophia Dorothea for adultery (case of kettle calling the pan!)

There were many, irrespective of religion, that preferred a Stuart to a Hanovarian so religion was secondary for supporters of the Jacobite cause.

The Act of Settlement is still in force even though the need for it may well be considered redundant in our modern world and though an attempt was made in the House of Lords by Michael Forsyth, former Secretary of State for Scotland for it to be abolished, it did not get much support.

So any member of the Royal Family who marries a Catholic still looses their place in the Line of Succession - this happened to Prince Michael of Kent for example, but his low position in that line in effect made no appreciable difference. The Duchess of Kent's conversion on the other hand does not affect her husband or their children as she was not Catholic when they were married and the children are still Anglican.

This act is one of the main reasons for so much marriage with Germans by the Royal Family in the past as Germany had the highest proportion of Protestant royalty.

Hope this helps give a little more background to those interested.

[Sheep In Wolf's Clothing]

Look who won:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...ds/7340595.stm
Sara

[gilmore]

...
So any member of the Royal Family who marries a Catholic still looses their place in the Line of Succession - this happened to Prince Michael of Kent for example ....

As will Princess Anne's son, who, though not strictly speaking a member of the Royal Family, will no longer be in the line of succession when he marries his Catholic fiancee.